Going to war on bluff boards

kurosh · #1 12-16-2005, 06:00 PM

I was thinking about this yesterday. Say SB raises and you defend 67o or whatever. Flop is KK9. It's incredibly likely you both missed and he might not even have an ace high to call you down with. But he also knows it's an easily bluffable board and that you probably missed it too. Would going to war here be profitable?

Lmn55d · #2 12-16-2005, 06:03 PM

against most, no. Lots of gutshots (TJ/TQ etc.) that dont believe you have K so you're gonna have to fire flop/turn/river usually. Plus he might be like "nah he dont have shiiiz" and 3bet you with 56o which sucks.

On top of this he might actually have a pair or ace high and isn't folding. Position is sweet, but so is initiative.

sthief09 · #3 12-16-2005, 06:05 PM

terrible board. A high will often call you down and a pocket pair will always call you down. any K has you beat and might even slowplay you and let you bluff your money away drawing 100% dead. QJ, JT, QT have gutters and not only will they not fold but they will often 3-bet you. at best, you can fire 3 barrels and make him fold if he misses his 10 outs.

i dont know why youd ever want to bluff in thsi situation. it is one of the worst boards to do it on.

TStoneMBD · #4 12-16-2005, 06:58 PM

if its correct to go to war with 67o it would be correct go to war with any 2 which is obviously not the case. you cant go to war 100% of the time on this flop. so then the question becomes a question of frequencies. how often?

imo, the frequency is very little and its not close by a long shot.

you could give him a hand range for what you think hes opening with, but alot of those hands contain Ax which are probably going to showdown, Kx, any pocket pair and JT/QJ combinations along with 9x. suited connectors that have no part of this board are just a very obscure part of his hand range.

going to war on this flop is a total spew.