Pope doing away with limbo

[Stu Pidasso]

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You are witnessing the discussion of the invention of this limbo theory. Someone made it up on the basis of no facts because it answered a question they didnt have an answer to, and now someone else has said it is wrong.

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I think Peter's point is that if one Pope defined something as being true 500 years ago, another Pope cannot undefine that because truth doesn't change.

Stu

[BTirish]

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Can you all see that your religion is being made up as you go along? ...

Can you just for a second try to extrapalate and see that at some point heaven and hell were imagined as answers to impossible questions. Genesis descibes how some writer imagined the earth was created and it turns out he was wrong.

Can you not then extrapalate to realise that the God concept was probably a figment of someones imagination when trying to answer a difficult riddle?

No? okay nevermind.

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No, apparently I am not able to "extrapolate" invalid inferences any better than you are able to spell "extrapolate."

It does not follow from "there are debates among Catholics about the content and implications of God's revelation" that "all this is just a bunch of made up hooey." Precisely the fact that Catholics are attentive to the difference between that which is definitively part of the deposit of faith and that which is free ground for theological speculation speaks against your (naive and amateurish) suggestion.

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Speaking of pointless religious debate, was it ever settled how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

If the pope does away with limbo, what happens to all the people already in limbo?

[imported_luckyme]

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Pope doing away with limbo

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Jeez, I thought the mennonites
were the only ones !
what's next, no Foxtrot ??!!

[Peter666]

The Holy Innocents received Baptism of Martyrdom, one of the three ways to get the grace of baptism: sacramentally through water, martyrdom, and desire.

Herod was trying to kill Jesus, and thus the Holy Innocents were killed for Christ's sake.

[Peter666]

I believe the unborn child (such as the fetus) who dies in the womb goes to a middle ground of limbo. A person is created upon conception, and thus instantly inherits the stain of original sin. If they die without baptism (such as a miscarriage) I believe their soul goes to a place of natural happiness. They cannot go to Heaven because they do not have supernatural grace, but they should not go to Hell because they did not commit any sins that deserve punishment.

What the modernist Catholics don't understand is the difference between natural happiness and supernatural happiness. Supernatural happiness or Heaven is something totally and completely unimaginable because it is a direct vision of God Himself as He sees himself. You need God's "eyes" to see him, as our natural eyes do not have the capacity to do so. That is why we require supernatural help, otherwise known as grace.

The dead unbaptized child is probably completely happy as human's envision happiness. This is likely a type of happiness found in the original Garden of Eden, or a place with 72 virgins....

There is no need to worry that the innocent people who die without Baptism are being hurt in any way. Their happiness is just a different and lower type of happiness than those people in Heaven.