"I want to bet whatever he has in front of him"

Photoc · #1 10-13-2005, 04:31 PM

Full ring 1/2 NL 200 max buy in. Button is in seat 2.
UTG raises to 12, seat 6 folds, 7 calls, Seat 8 makes it 25 to go, CO and Button call, SB/BB both fold.

UTG says, I want to bet whatever the reraiser has in front of him.

Seat 8 says, "FCK YOU you are!" and throws his cards into the muck imediately.

I stop the game by saying TIME!. "Sir, first off, you will NOT do that again, you will go in turn. Second, You will NOT swear at another player. Third, all players have a right to an accurate chip count of whatever anyone has in front of them."

So he sits there and just stares at me. I finally say..."You are going to put those out there for a count or count them yourself". He was obviously being a dck and didn't want to count it. He finally just slams the stack out there and says...there just take it! I counted it out, and said "player bets $85."

Seat 8 now starts saying..."well I'm not calling that, I alread folded". I'm starting to wonder if this guy is just a complete idiot or what. This was after I gave him his chips back, lol.

Needless to say, the reraise to 85 got everyone to fold, I got complimented from several of the players for my handling of the situation and the winner tossed me $3 without even seeing a flop [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I believe I made the right decision. The floorperson was never called, nor do I think should have been as there was no dispute in the rules or play of the game.

Patrick del Poker Grande · #2 10-13-2005, 04:46 PM

Well done.

Randy_Refeld · #3 10-13-2005, 04:48 PM

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I believe I made the right decision. The floorperson was never called, nor do I think should have been as there was no dispute in the rules or play of the game.

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The floor needs to be called in this spot. This player may have been a problem in the past or may be in the future. The floor is who is to handle these situations.

It is also possible this player didn't understand waht was going on and thought you and/or the toehr palyer were tryign to make him put his stack in the pot.

Anytime there is a dispute at teh table it is for the floor to settle, they will be walking away from the table afterwards.

Photoc · #4 10-13-2005, 04:52 PM

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Anytime there is a dispute at teh table it is for the floor to settle, they will be walking away from the table afterwards

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I dont really think there was a dispute, but now that I think about it, you are most likely correct.

The player in question had just been drinking too much it looked like. The very next hand he just goes all in immediately for his last $60 (85-25 bet last hand) and ran right into KK. He throws pocket 2's face up and just gets up. No comments or anything just walked away.

#5 10-13-2005, 05:07 PM

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The floor needs to be called in this spot. This player may have been a problem in the past or may be in the future. The floor is who is to handle these situations.

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Yes and no. You need to know your floor people. My floor people would not be real happy to have me call them for a player doing this one time (actually there is one floor person who I would call because he he would think it is appropriate). I would not call the floor for this behavior until the problem escalated or the continued. Most floor people I work with would have come over shrugged their shoulders said "Don't do that anymore" and walked away.

I agree that in the ideal world the floor should be called for this AND THE FLOOR SHOULD ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. However the reality in many cardrrooms is that the floor doesn't want to be called everytime a player swears, acts out of turn, and throws his cards. Sure they want to be called the problem escalates, but they want their dealers to handle it first.

Randy_Refeld · #6 10-13-2005, 05:15 PM

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I agree that in the ideal world the floor should be called for this AND THE FLOOR SHOULD ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. However the reality in many cardrrooms is that the floor doesn't want to be called everytime a player swears, acts out of turn, and throws his cards. Sure they want to be called the problem escalates, but they want their dealers to handle it first.

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They need additional training. The dealer's job does not include discipling players. It is perfectly acceptable for a deler to tell a palyer "we don't swear in this casino." It is unacceptable for a delaer to tell a player "You have to __________" or "You cannot __________" The dealer has to sit there and continue to deal, the floor will be walking away. The player always has options to do just about whatever he wants. Exercising those options often require the he leave the card room, but they are still avaialble to him. For example in the first post if the player really didn't want to have his stack counted he could have taken it and left, so he doesn't HAVE to give an accurate count.

47outs · #7 10-14-2005, 12:18 AM

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The floor needs to be called in this spot.

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No way should the floor be called here. The floor is there for emergencies and disputes in which the dealer can no longer handle. The dealer in this situation handled it just fine. if there was futher escalation, like if the player continued to be a dick, a good floor would just echo the dealers words. The dealer runs the show at the poker table, not the floor, not the players.

Randy_Refeld · #8 10-14-2005, 12:32 AM

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The dealer runs the show at the poker table,

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This can be true in small limit games with inexpereinced players. Once you get above the smallest games the dealer often knows the least about the rules and procedures.

In this case the player had been drinking; casinos have specific policies on how to deal with guests that have been drinking. Dealers typically are not trained in these procedures.

Anytime there is an irregularity at the table the floor is to be called. THe dealer in the box has no knowledge if there have been previous incidents involving this player.

Photoc · #9 10-14-2005, 12:41 AM

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casinos have specific policies on how to deal with guests that have been drinking. Dealers typically are not trained in these procedures

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In this situation, it happens to be that I am trained in how to handle guests that are drinking. I am certified in alcohol awareness. Also, when I was a supervisor in the pit, I had training there as well.

This player was not "drunk", just had a few drinks, which will impair anyones judgement. If it escalated, yes, the floor would have been called. I will not call the floor every time I have to explain betting and folding, or enforce the no swearing rule.

Randy_Refeld · #10 10-14-2005, 12:46 AM

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casinos have specific policies on how to deal with guests that have been drinking. Dealers typically are not trained in these procedures

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In this situation, it happens to be that I am trained in how to handle guests that are drinking. I am certified in alcohol awareness. Also, when I was a supervisor in the pit, I had training there as well.

This player was not "drunk", just had a few drinks, which will impair anyones judgement. If it escalated, yes, the floor would have been called. I will not call the floor every time I have to explain betting and folding, or enforce the no swearing rule.

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This is unusual that a dealer has the alcohol awareness training. Enforcing no swearing of course is fine. I am pretty sure you have a good grasp of when to call the floor; I have also seen many situations get out of hand because the floor was not called right away.