Good Fold?

Guy Incognito · #1 08-25-2005, 10:39 PM

SB is 82/35/5
BB is 35/0/.5

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB caps, Hero folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Cancuk · #2 08-25-2005, 10:44 PM

20.5 to 1 on your call. This is a monster pot. Call.
Why did you cap the flop?

just a note, i'm surprised that BB waited to raise the river.
cheers.

Alobar · #3 08-25-2005, 10:49 PM

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Why did you cap the flop?

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value, plus the chance for a free card

Guy Incognito · #4 08-25-2005, 10:50 PM

20.5 to 2, right?

Is it not standard to cap the flop with 4 flush + 2 overs?

Given how passive BB was, I figured the river cap vs. 2 aggressors was really bad news.

Cancuk · #5 08-25-2005, 10:56 PM

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Why did you cap the flop?

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value, plus the chance for a free card

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I understand the raise, but not the cap, especially w/ BB coming along, BB very often has, if he's not in a coma, 1) a strong hand or 2) a flush draw which could very easily be better than hero's.

Also, the Original raiser's three bet agaisnt two opp's can very well mean that he has a hand that beats a 9 or a 10 if hero hits one of his overs. I don't think the cap has value in it, is my point.
cheers.

Cancuk · #6 08-25-2005, 10:58 PM

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20.5 to 2, right?

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am i missing something? if so, correct me please.

wonkadaddy · #7 08-25-2005, 11:08 PM

the cap doesn't have value in and of itself, but may buy you a free turn as you're last to act. if your opponents tend to check to the aggressor it's a fine play.

on river i make crying call. it's $1-2, enuf people are idiots to make this call right 1 out of 10 times.

Guy Incognito · #8 08-25-2005, 11:10 PM

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20.5 to 2, right?

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am i missing something? if so, correct me please.

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I was calling 2 cold on the river.

Cancuk · #9 08-25-2005, 11:14 PM

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the cap doesn't have value in and of itself, but may buy you a free turn as you're last to act. if your opponents tend to check to the aggressor it's a fine play.

on river i make crying call. it's $1-2, enuf people are idiots to make this call right 1 out of 10 times.

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This cap is costing you to much for a free card.

wonkadaddy · #10 08-25-2005, 11:47 PM

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the cap doesn't have value in and of itself, but may buy you a free turn as you're last to act. if your opponents tend to check to the aggressor it's a fine play.

on river i make crying call. it's $1-2, enuf people are idiots to make this call right 1 out of 10 times.

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This cap is costing you to much for a free card.

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nah. with two other players in the hand every bet on the flop only costs you a teeny weeny bit of expectation as you'll win this thing almost 1/3 of the time (i realize not quite this high cause of boats, redraws to higher flushes).

but every flop bet costs you only pennies in expectation. so your price to try and get a free turn is extremely minimal.

also, from a metagame stance it's probably a good thing for your opponents to know you'll cap on draws.