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12-01-2004, 11:27 AM
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2 late tourney hands for criticism
Four tables in a home NL freezeout tournament
Starting stacks were around T1300, 20 minute rounds. Game has become somewhat passive, with few calls of all-ins. I have two key hands that I'd like opinions on (I'll add results and exact hand details later on). I) I'm moved to a new table, play a circuit or two. I haven't had to show much, haven't done a whole lot except steal from this very large stack to my right. Blinds are $T250/500 at this point. We are one hand away from forming the final table of 10, with 6 places paid (#6 got back entry fee)- the 11th person has busted out already, we're still playing this new hand. I raise UTG with Ax suited in our 6-handed table to $1200 (about 30% of my stack)- I need to accumulate some chips. The button, who has played generally tight and generally showed winners at the end, but whom I suspected of stealing some pots earlier in the evening, reraises another 1500 all-in, knocking out everyone else. If I call, I'm crippled. If I fold, I have enough for a few circuits but I have to start aggressively going after chips pretty quickly (300/600 when the final table is formed) a) Call and gamble for chips, or fold here? How low would card X have to be before you fold a suited Ace hand here, against this player (whose play I didn't really know very well)? II) Final table, down to 8 players. I'm down to 1425 in late position with 350/700 blinds. UTG limps, folded to me, with Qy suited. In 4 hands I'll hit the blinds and pretty much have no chance of making the money, much less anything else. There are decent sized stacks behind me (button, 2 blinds) and the UTG limper had a decent-sized stack. a) Move all-in here? I'd gotten lucky the previous hand when my T7, flopped pair of 7s', caught trips on the river to keep me in the game against a flopped overpair. I'm sure at least one person, if not more than the UTG limper, will be calling if I move in. b) Does card Y matter in this hand? c) Is it better to fold here and wait to move all-in first with almost any hand? Thanks LL 
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#2
12-01-2004, 11:42 AM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
Hand 1: You know you are moving to the final table after this hand is over, but you chose to raise in EP with Ax suited.....probably a little over-agressive. Since you only had about 8 times the big blind left, you should almost be in push or fold mode. I'd prefer to take a full orbit or two at the 10-man final table than to risk all of my chips with Ax suited heads up. I would put an unknown player on a hand that would most likely dominate Ax if they came over the top of your raise all-in.
Hand 2: I think the second card does matter, at least with the limper. He will most likely never fold to your meager all in raise, so you'd like to have some high card value. The fact that the cards are suited matters less heads-up, as flushes are pretty rare. I'd probably push if the other card was a 9 or higher, giving your hand decent high card value, along with straight and flush possibilities. Other wise, I'd looks for Ax or Kx in the next few hands, push, and make someone call you before anyone else limps. I'm curious to see what others have to say about this one though. Aceragclubs
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#3
12-01-2004, 12:38 PM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
WTF U suck at poker nooberzz!!!1!11
lol ok in all seriousness here goes. Hand 1- Dont like it, as was mentioned ur about to move to a full table and can afford to take a few rotations and wait for a better shot. Just curious but what were the avg stacks at this time(from ur description of BB most were in a similar position?). I fold this here almost every time, unless the table had been playing SUPER tight. Even then with ~7-8 BB ur pretty much in push or fold mode. Eh I vote fold. Given ur line I prob call here. Seldom am I raising 30 percent of my stack and with the intention of folding to a raise. Makes things interesting that u have him covered, but I now that uve put urself in this situation by raising Axs UTG with ur chips [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I call. Hand 2, while there is something to be said for the added chips in the pot due to the UTG limp I fold this every time. Qxs is not a strong hand, u have 4 hands to go, and even if u get trash strange things have happened when u end up all in on ur blind. Not even close in my mind. By "Y" card im assuming u mean less then ten right? QTs or better Ill play here sometimes. -Evan PS- why were u playing 107 in the first place, it better have been soooted.... PPS- was this the game that chad was running?
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#4
12-01-2004, 12:47 PM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
Nice post there Evan.. just a bit wild [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Yea i agree with him here.. playin Ax in that situation is bad i would probably fold here.. but if u had something like AT, AJ, AQ, AK, its not bad to go in with. Qy is not a great hand to push with. I would probably just wait for a better hand and push. Ex. Ax, pp, K xhigh. Or when your big blind I would just go all in blind, cuz u never know what would happen. -Young
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#5
12-02-2004, 04:12 PM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
Where the HELL did you learn to type?!? I think you're buzzing on Red Bulls again.
No, this wasn't a tournament you were aware of. Average stacks would be 5K plus, so my opponent was understacked and I was a little under average. I knew the blinds would be going up to 300/600 at the final table, so I only had 5 orbits worth of chips. Maybe I shouldn't have pulled the trigger on the A9 in the first place.
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#6
12-02-2004, 05:26 PM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
Yea Yea I went back and reread it after and realized that it was pretty bad. To late I guess to edit it though.
And it must be the red bulls since Im not of age to be buzzing on alcohol now am I??? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#9
12-09-2004, 11:35 AM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
This wasn't my tourney. We ended up with only 13 for mine and of the three cash places, two were the DPC guy who hasn't been at the DPC yet (first), and his buddy (third), so needless to say, my friends weren't too happy that I invited them!
We ended up allowing one rebuy to build the prize money, so I lost $60 but I made $59 back in a 1/2 limit game with Mr Mom & Vangsta. Based on recent results I should give up the tourneys and stick to the cash games! mntbiker, he probably didn't invite you because he figured you aren't in for anything with less than $500 buy-in anymore! Re: the hands in question...I hate the A9s play. By choosing the size of your initial bet, you were pot-committing yourself. The pot odds you got when reraised all in should've forced you into the call, then you folded. Must think one move ahead, young jedi, and choose that initial raise amount differently. Saturday January 8 into Sunday January 9 for Turning Stone? It is an NFL playoff weekend but fantasy football will be over by then so I won't mind missing a Sunday. I want a percentage of your Casino War action! LL, you in this time?
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#10
12-01-2004, 12:54 PM
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Re: 2 late tourney hands for criticism
I disagree with the other posters about hand 1. Six handed, sorta like the bubble, as everyone knows you are going to the final table now. I think a blind steal with Axs UTG is OK to play here... but only if the table has been pretty tight. Otherwise, I'd fold and wait for a better opportunity. Anyway, you have to call 1500 and the pot is 4650. You are just over a 2:1 dog against KK - 66, a coin toss against pocket 55 - 22. Also, about 2.2:1 against AK or AQ with none of your suit. The only hand that you won't have the odds to call against is AA. So, what do you think the chances are he has AA? I'd say your odds are about 2:1 against the range of hands he could be playing, and you are getting 3:1 from the pot. I'd say you have to call here.
Hand 2: To me this all depends on the tightness of the table. The tighter the table seems to be, the better the chance I push here. If the big stacks behind you are playing sherriff, I'd probably wait it out. The absolute key, though, is when you are shortstacked you have to pick a hand you feel good about and push... letting Lady Luck make her decision. And, the kicker IS important, generally. In this case, a call is going to mean trouble no matter what... you are really hoping for a lucky board for your hand, or a blind steal, so the kicker is meaningless since a call will mean you probably need luck no matter what.
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