interesting QQ fold.. thoughts?

[PrayingMantis]

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I'm getting 1280:175 which equals 7.3:1. This of course is less than the 7.5:1 needed to hit a set. Even when you throw in an outside possibility that he may do this with a hand like AK or (gasp) AQ, there simply is not enough overlay.

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Hero has to call 125 more, not 175, so these numbers are off. I don't understand why people, not only you, keep miscalculating the equity in this simple hand. You have the odds (implied, surely) to hit a set. I call here.

[raptor517]

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I'm getting 1280:175 which equals 7.3:1. This of course is less than the 7.5:1 needed to hit a set. Even when you throw in an outside possibility that he may do this with a hand like AK or (gasp) AQ, there simply is not enough overlay.

PS. check my #s:

25 = sb
50 = bb
175 = raptor's raise
1030 = villains stack

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its horrible to even THINK about doing the odds that way, much less actually put it on the screen. holla

[microbet]

There's a better chance that he doesn't have AA or KK, than of him having AA or KK, your hitting a set, and not getting his stack.

Micro
Who is so dumb he still doesn't know if you have to call 125 or 175.

[johnnybeef]

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[rydazzle]

I agree, pls check my math (I am assuming the raises are "raise to" and that pot is 600 now from HH, jbeef confirmed):

If you will fold if your Qs dont make a set on the flop, then:

stack if fold = 920
stack if call and lose = 795
stack if call and win = X
p(hitting set) = 1/8

1/8(X) + 7/8(795) > 920
X > 1795

so, your stack must be 1795 after hitting a set to beat your fold equity. This translates to needing about 300 chips more from jp after flopping a set (your 795 + 725 pot + ~300 more from jp)...not entirely unreasonable implied odds if you think he'll call/make a bet >=300 with a Q high board.

v. interesting post, again pls check my math

[PrayingMantis]

I'm not sure I understand your last post, johnnybeef.

[johnnybeef]

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its horrible to even THINK about doing the odds that way, much less actually put it on the screen. holla

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care to expand on that statement?

[microbet]

I think he's saying, don't count yer chickens before they hatch.

(see how I said "yer" instead of "your" - authentic, ain't it?)

[rydazzle]

bump

[johnnybeef]

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I'm not sure I understand your last post, johnnybeef.

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one of us has misread the hh.