AA line I've never taken before...

Garland · #1 12-09-2005, 10:05 PM

Opponent is very tight, but his preflop raise selection is wide: VP$IP = 16.52 and Preflop raise % = 7.83 over 345 hands

What do you think?

Garland

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 ($517.60)
CO ($253.70)
Button ($78.80)
SB ($418.95)
Garland ($482.40)
UTG ($399.90)
UTG+1 ($539.60)
MP1 ($231.90)
MP2 ($460.70)

Preflop: Garland is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds,MP3 raises to $14, SB calls, Garland raises to $52, MP3 calls $52, 1 fold.

Flop: ($118) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Garland checks, MP3 bets $76, Garland folds.

Wayfare · #2 12-09-2005, 10:09 PM

If you had KK/QQ would you still check the flop?

Garland · #3 12-10-2005, 04:56 AM

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If you had KK/QQ would you still check the flop?

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Against aggressive opponents, certainly. However, a lot of times I bet it myself. I do mix it up...

Garland

Woolygimp · #4 12-09-2005, 10:15 PM

I think you played it well. Some might argue that you should have lead the flop though.
KK and QQ are opponents most likely holdings. Small chance he has AA. AK isn't really an option.
Then again I'm supposedly weak/tight so lets see what everyone else says.

Edit: The more I read this the more it screams KK. I think hes going to have KK over 70% of the time here. That was a big PF raise to call. You both have deep stacks, and you showed real strength PF. He doesn't want to commit his deepstack against that strength. He also sees folding Kings as being too weak, so he calls. Good Fold.

#5 12-09-2005, 10:26 PM

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AK isn't really an option.

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why isn't AK an option? plenty of players play AKo to a re-raise to 50+. and these players will definitely play AKs for 50+. i think you're narrowing down the villain's hand range as a result of that. i lead this flop and slow down after that. or check-call and re-evaluate on the turn.

Woolygimp · #6 12-09-2005, 10:29 PM

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AK isn't really an option.

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why isn't AK an option? plenty of players play AKo to a re-raise to 50+. and these players will definitely play AKs for 50+. i think you're narrowing down the villain's hand range as a result of that. i lead this flop and slow down after that. or check-call and re-evaluate on the turn.

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Check-Calling is horrible. Your only other option is to to lead/fold.

#7 12-09-2005, 10:33 PM

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AK isn't really an option.

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why isn't AK an option? plenty of players play AKo to a re-raise to 50+. and these players will definitely play AKs for 50+. i think you're narrowing down the villain's hand range as a result of that. i lead this flop and slow down after that. or check-call and re-evaluate on the turn.

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Check-Calling is horrible. Your only other option is to to lead/fold.

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why is check-calling horrible? care to elaborate? it'll look like a slow play in villain's eyes in my opinion and i doubt he'd bet again on the turn w/ AK. no one can understand your thought process since you type the very minimum.

Woolygimp · #8 12-09-2005, 10:38 PM

Anyone fishy enough to call a 50 dollar re raise with AK is going to be fishy enough to fire another barrel on the turn and river. By check/calling you are slowly committing your stack with a possibility of only 2 outs. You aren't gaining any information and aren't giving the villain the chance to show the strength of his hand and let you get away cheaply.

meleader2 · #9 12-11-2005, 07:48 AM

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AK isn't really an option.

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why isn't AK an option? plenty of players play AKo to a re-raise to 50+. and these players will definitely play AKs for 50+. i think you're narrowing down the villain's hand range as a result of that. i lead this flop and slow down after that. or check-call and re-evaluate on the turn.

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Check-Calling is horrible. Your only other option is to to lead/fold.

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yep. lead fold. who else raises you besides kk/qq? i see ak based on this players stats falling into passive mode.

Finite_Risk · #10 12-11-2005, 09:54 AM

This hand also illustrates the value of position.

If Garland had position in this hand and was checked to on this flop...easy check behind for the same reasons as why he folded in the real hand.

Garland - if instead you were led INTO here, I assume you also fold?