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Old 10-26-2005, 10:21 AM
Edge34 Edge34 is offline
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

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in NL a limp/reraise is about the only way to play AA from early position. Any reasonable raise will just get called (probably by to many people) and a big raise will get you only the blinds.

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This is frighteningly wrong.
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Old 10-26-2005, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

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I do this very occasionally to mix up my pre-flop play. I use the suits to determine when I do this, so every time I get the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I'll try to limp/re-raise from EP.

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Good Theory! [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
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Old 10-26-2005, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

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in NL a limp/reraise is about the only way to play AA from early position. Any reasonable raise will just get called (probably by to many people) and a big raise will get you only the blinds.

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This is frighteningly wrong.

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Why do you say this? When I play AA I want callers, but not to many. (unless everyone is going to go all-in pre-flop). I generally want to see 1-2 callers fairly deep into their stacks calling. I can't get 1-2 callers calling deep without a limp/reraise from EP. How do you play AA at a table where 2-3xBB is the standard raise?
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Old 10-26-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

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in NL a limp/reraise is about the only way to play AA from early position. Any reasonable raise will just get called (probably by to many people) and a big raise will get you only the blinds.

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This is frighteningly wrong.

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Why do you say this? When I play AA I want callers, but not to many. (unless everyone is going to go all-in pre-flop). I generally want to see 1-2 callers fairly deep into their stacks calling. I can't get 1-2 callers calling deep without a limp/reraise from EP. How do you play AA at a table where 2-3xBB is the standard raise?

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The answer is:

I make my standard 3-4xBB raise, get all those callers that I'd normally get because they're idiots and will call with stuff like 75s, and roll around in all the extra money I'm probably going to win. You want to play scared and hope for your big bad rockets to never lose. I want to play to maximize my long-term profit by understanding EV.

To be fair, the limp-reraise is a good move to have in your arsenal for the hyper-aggressive table you might come upon, in order to change it up a little bit. That said, the logic behind your play with AA is waaaaay off. But then, that's what these forums are here for.
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Old 10-26-2005, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

Hey, he's good for poker.. although its a bad beat its pretty hilarious........sorry
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Old 10-26-2005, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

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Hey, he's good for poker.. although its a bad beat its pretty hilarious........sorry

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I agree. Anytime someone sucks out on me I just tell myself that they were an idiot for calling in the first place. As long as my chips go in with the best hand, especially when I'm dominating, I'm happy.

When they suck out like that, I'll always congratulate them on the hand hoping the make the same mistake again. It's still hard to stop myself from smashing things when they suck out though! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

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I make my standard 3-4xBB raise, get all those callers that I'd normally get because they're idiots and will call with stuff like 75s

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If the stacks are deep enough, this is not necessarily a bad call against AA.
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Old 10-27-2005, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: Do you like \"just calling\" w/ AA from EP?

If check calling and then check raising the river is "The Sexy" then limp re-raising aces is "The Gay".
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:21 AM
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Well, I would like to point out a few important factors. If your sitting at a table with a punch of pro's, limping UTG with AA is prolly a bad idea, you might as well turn your cards over face up and play the hand.

Especially if you never limp with anything else. If your raising with JJ, QQ, AQ, etc UTG and showing these hands down, if you limp UTG and win a showdown and show AA they will file this into memory forever and ever.

On the hand, if your at your local brick and motar casino with the jokers who can't tell you the last time you won a hand, even if it was the last hand then this play will work alot.

In a tournament, the name of the game is survival. It is important that if you limp up front, and get your raise...dont f around just move in. Espcially if there is a raise and a caller already. You dont want to just min raise or any of that garbage...your giving away your hand to most competant players, and some may call just trying to hit a set.

In your example. If i could put in 400 more after I raised, with 77 to potentially get everything if I hit a 7..then I probably have the implied odds to do so. I am wagering 400 to your whole stack. I won't put in any more money unless I can make a hand that will beat the 2 hands I think you have.
Going broke in the tournament, even with a bad beat, ends your tournament. Its always good to take down that pot pre flop and continue forward.

In a cash game, sometimes a dream scenario occurs where you limp and it folds to a mid position player who raises and then it folds back to you. In this case, you have zero incentive to reriase. Your hand is very disguised and your heads up with AA...great situation.

Most often though, there will be other limpers and perhaps callers, in this case...I prefer to reriase with my AA a large amount to potentially win the pot right there or narrow it down to head up.

It is safer to take chances in a cash game in the way you play your aces, because you can always rebuy if your bad beat and continue playing.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:25 AM
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Default yes, i do

however, i only play nl/pl at the party 25/50, where other players do really stupid things. i like to limp with a lot of stuff in ep, so the limp-reraise with aa/kk helps protect these drawing hands from the morons that over-raise in lp to steal when tight players limp in ep. basically, if they wanna steal my 25/50 cents 80% of the time, they are gonna have to pay the price when i have my monster waiting for them. to do this, you have to be willing to lay down overpairs when it is painfully obvious you are beat. a lot of people can't do that. i am still not sure if this is the highest ev way to play, but i like it. btw, i always try to play at the tables with at least 1 maniac, so it works forme. i wouldn't recommend this against normal opponents.
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