Making the transition to 10/20

IGMorton · #1 10-18-2005, 07:58 AM

I'm looking for any tips people might have for making the transition to 10/20.

1. In general, does the increased agression mean that i should be going to showdown more or less? I do realize that good reads here become more important.

2. Are my opponents going to be more varied in playstyle? I have played a bit at a small site, which has mostly casino traffic. I found that players seemed to play either quite lagish (30/20 style) or very weak tight.

3. Should i be attempting to steal more or less vs. typical opponents? I assume people defend the BB more. Is this offset by slightly higher steal sucess because better players fold the SB more?

4. Should i be defending the SB and BB more or less than in 5/10? I was thinking the slightly better odds i get are somewhat offset by the skill of the players making use of their position on me.

5. Will my opponents be more or less likely to fold to check-raises, stop and go, etc? What level are most of these guys thinking on?

6. Is variance bigger or smaller at 10/20? I was quite comfortable (and successfull) making the jump from 3/6 to 5/10 with only 300 BB. Should i be looking to start 10/20 with a significantly bigger bank roll?

Poldi · #2 10-18-2005, 09:04 AM

6. 300BB seriously is too low if you dont plan on just taking a shot.
Variance is considerably worse than on 5/10. Lower winrate, more aggressive players..

IGMorton · #3 10-18-2005, 12:57 PM

how about taking my first stab with $8000 (400 BB) and a very good rakeback deal (35-45%)?

Ryan11 · #4 10-18-2005, 01:00 PM

I just take shots there from time to time my main game is teh 5/10 6 max. The biggest problem for me moving up is the game is super swingy compared to the 5/10. The other day I started off losing 113BB but finished the day up 20 or so. I'd say atleast 500BB to make it your regular game and if you think you might not be a winner in that game then drop back down to 5/10.

wackjob · #5 10-18-2005, 01:08 PM

My first 20K 10/20 at party were at best breakeven. I have never played with even a 500BB BR. I'd take 2 buy-ins and just check it out. Nothing will give you as much information as that. Play tight, don't get crazy defending your blinds with crap thinking that everyone is always stealing. Most importantly, try to locate other TAG's right away and avoid them.

aba20 · #6 10-18-2005, 02:03 PM

only play one or two tables and play fri. and sat. nights.

kiddo · #7 10-18-2005, 02:22 PM

To be honest, your questions make me feel u got a lot to think about. No matter what limit.

You play 5/10 6max now and wants to play 10/20 6max? Well, betsize double and the average player will be a bit more aggressive and there will be more really good players.

If your question was: "I have problems with 30/20 guys, I try to play like this blah blah blah but always feel they rip me and there seems to be a lot of them at 10/20. What sould I do?" If your question was this I would understand.

But all your questions are about "general" and "typical" and "people" and "my opponents".

The difference between a decent and a good pokerplayer is that the good pokerplayer plays the player. Not say you are bad at getting reads and acting on them. But if u are good at this it really shouldnt be so difficult to see how 10/20 works.

I am not sure if there is any player at 10/20 that make a good profit without playing each player indivually. I guess there could be some pretty aggressive that makes without good reads and some really tight that also do it. But not to many.

JoshuaD · #8 10-18-2005, 02:26 PM

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The difference between a decent and a good pokerplayer is that the good pokerplayer plays the player. Not say you are bad at getting reads and acting on them. But if u are good at this it really shouldnt be so difficult to see how 10/20 works.

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That's simply wrong.

Game texture is huge, regardless of individual reads. A smart thinking TAG will play differently in the party 10/20 than he will in the party 5/10. Why? Because his opponents are playing differently.

He's aware of the overall texture of the game, and is playing accordingly. You need to also be aware of the overall texture of the game and the proper adjustments you should be making so you can play properly against this opponent.

You also need to have a "readless" read. That is -- if you know nothing about your opponent, how do you play against him? It's certainly going to be different than how you would play against an unknown at .5/1 or 5/10.

Poldi · #9 10-18-2005, 03:11 PM

That sounds more reasonable. I think I took my first shot with 450BB, ran bad, played 5/10 when the 10/20 tables were not great, continued to run bad but always came back and tried and tried..
That was last month, this month i am running at 3.3BB/100.. talk about running hot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

pyroponic · #10 10-18-2005, 03:21 PM

On my website John has gambling problems I talk about both my transition to $5/10 and $10/20 6-max. Hopefully there is some information there that you may find interesting. Also if you only have 300 BB, I strongly advise against moving up unless you don't mind a high probability of going broke.