Eurobet 100/200 river value bet?

ggbman · #1 10-12-2005, 08:23 PM

I am not very familiar with villian, he is ok, very aggressive, typical 100/200 player IMO.

Party Poker 100/200 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

mscags · #2 10-12-2005, 08:30 PM

I like it. I think he will call you with Ace high a high enough percentage of the time here to make it profitable.

Subfallen · #3 10-12-2005, 08:41 PM

The fact that you are considering A-high hands as a significant portion of his range on the river makes me believe you did not expect him to fold A-high to the turn raise. Or to a river continuation bluff.

So why raise?

TStoneMBD · #4 10-12-2005, 08:50 PM

i would just call the turn. id hate to see myself paying 3 bets for my flush draw.

ggbman · #5 10-12-2005, 08:50 PM

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The fact that you are considering A-high hands as a significant portion of his range on the river makes me believe you did not expect him to fold A-high to the turn raise. Or to a river continuation bluff.

So why raise?

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This assumption is garnered from information we got from raising, if he had 3 bet i would think he had ace high very often [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

mc1023 · #6 10-12-2005, 09:17 PM

i like calling the turn and seeing showdown with ace high even if I miss just to get familiar with villian if your not already familiar, and to also show him I'll call him down with ace high periodically.

But with the line you took here, I don't think he will call enough times with hands you beat that make this a good value bet.

Basically you only beat Ace high and nothing else.

Pog0 · #7 10-12-2005, 10:53 PM

a typical 100/200 SH player will never fold ace high here.

I like the turn raise because you were going to call a river bet on a blank anyway, and this way instead of getting 2 bets in in all circumstances, you get 3 in when you're fairly confident your hand is good.

You're probably ahead of his range preflop, but never by much since A3 dominates or is a significant favourite over exactly nothing, so I'm not sure whether reraising pf is good or not here.

ggbman · #8 10-12-2005, 10:56 PM

Yeah, i feel that it might have been overlooked that villian was the SB here and thus has a huge range. By raising the turn, i get more value against any paint cards with a heart in the there somewhere, as i get a free showdown if i want it a lot and they wouldnt put more money in on the river anyway.

partygirluk · #9 10-12-2005, 10:59 PM

A3o only has 55% equity preflop v. a totally random hand. I am not sure he has an equity edge here. Raising might be good for other reason though.

Subfallen · #10 10-12-2005, 11:03 PM

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The fact that you are considering A-high hands as a significant portion of his range on the river makes me believe you did not expect him to fold A-high to the turn raise. Or to a river continuation bluff.

So why raise?

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This assumption is garnered from information we got from raising, if he had 3 bet i would think he had ace high very often [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Well yes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But what I'm saying is that if your turn raise will only fold worse hands, and since you must call a 3-bet...why raise?