10:20 Another QQ hand

[HoldEmKillah]

If you feel like checking, don't even bother doing that. Save yourself some time and just open-fold. It makes life a LOT easier.

2/3 pot is correct. Or pot..whatever. Just bet.

[Jonathan]

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10:20 No limit, everyone is deep stacked with at least $2,000 in front of them.

You hold the two black queens and its folded to you in
middle position. You open raise $100, and get two callers,
the player on your left and the button.

Flop comes K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

You are first to act. Do you bet out or check?


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OK.... so far EVERY single person said you should bet
out. Not ONE thinks checking is correct.

This hand is a problem from Reuben & Ciaffone, Pot limit and
No limit Poker, Problem 3 in the Holdem section page 76,
which I've just started reading.

When I read the problem I was sure that the correct answer was clearcut: You must bet out in this situation. I would
bet about $275 about 2/3 the pot, but certainly have no
argument with those who suggest a pot sized bet. You must
bet out to define your hand. If you check and someone bets,
then what? You could very well be folding the best hand.

So I was very surprised to see Ciaffone score it thus:
check (10 points) Bet (7 points).

But I was even more shocked to read his explanation:
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....I would normally check a pair of queens here. Not
many free cards are going to beat me. If someone bets, there
is a good chance I'll fold.


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No free cards? What about nine diamonds, 2 aces,
2 eights, and 2 deuces? And I think that most strong players
would agree that to check and fold this flop is the
epitome of weak-tight play. Anyway, I think that to
check fold is weak-tight.

Apparently, most of the posters here agree with me.

But now, I'm reluctant to continue reading this book.

Are his other problems/answers as strange as this one?

Thanks for the responses.

Suerte,
Jonathan

[BobboFitos]

that bob sure is a funny guy

[ML4L]

[ QUOTE ]
10:20 No limit, everyone is deep stacked with at least $2,000 in front of them.

You hold the two black queens and its folded to you in
middle position. You open raise $100, and get two callers,
the player on your left and the button.

Flop comes K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

You are first to act. Do you bet out or check?

If you say check, what is your response to a bet
from either player?

I think the correct play is clearcut, but others disagree,
so I'm lookng for some discussion of this hand.

Suerte,
Jonathan

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Lots of smug, one-line replies on this forum lately. Most of them are wrong, or at the very least, incomplete.

I check some non-zero percentage of the time here. When I do check, it is rarely with the intention of folding to a bet...

I suppose that's a semi-smug, two-line reply. But at least it's right.

ML4L

[Jonathan]

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I check some non-zero percentage of the time here. When I do check, it is rarely with the intention of folding to a bet...

I suppose that's a semi-smug, two-line reply. But at least it's right.

ML4L

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Care to elaborate? For example, if check you some non zero
percentage of the time, that means you bet some non zero
percentage of the time too. What would you guess the
respective percentages are?

If check and the man on your left bets and button folds,
how would you continue? Or would it be so read dependent
as to make discussion meaningless.

In any case, it seems your answer is quite a bit different
than Ciaffones, whether the previous responders are smug
or not!

The point is this. I'm nowhere near as experienced as
you guys. I buy and read books to try to learn something.
Hopefully, something correct. When I come across a line
of play, like the one proposed by Ciaffone, which strikes
me as peculiar, and then find that not a single poster
on this forum agrees with his line, it can be confusing.

Thanks for the input.

Suerte,
Jonathan