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#1
05-17-2005, 12:51 PM
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Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
This may be elemetary, but I have to ask it to make sure:
This is a made-up hand. Let's say you have 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB. 4 players call and the aggressive button raises, sb calls, you call and so does everyone else for 7 players and 14sb. Flop: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] sb checks, you bet hoping for button to raise, 3 limpers call, button raises, sb folds, do you 3 bet? 
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#2
05-17-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
This isn't really a strong draw. People don't usually fold for two, after putting one in, but I don't three bet here because all I have is 9 high and I don't really want to eliminate people. With a gutshot or an overcard I might go for it.
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#3
05-17-2005, 01:06 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
A better flush draw isn't folding and you only have 9 high. I don't see the value in reraising here.
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#4
05-17-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
Any read on the limpers? I disagree with the other posters that there isn't value in a raise. You've got a strong 9 outs and a backdoor straight draw (Probably only worth 1 out instead of the 1.5 because the JQ runner is tainted). With three limpers, if you figure 2 will cold call your re-raise over 50% of the time, then I would put in the raise. Pumping this pot 4 way is very profitable for you.
edited: changed 70% to 50%.
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#5
05-17-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
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Pumping this pot 4 way is very profitable for you. [/ QUOTE ]
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#6
05-17-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
I think this is a 3-bet. It would be too bad if all of the limpers folded, but I doubt that will happen.
I have a follow up question, though. Suppose you 3-bet and get 3 callers (and the PFR doesn't cap). Turn blanks. Do you bet out? What if only the PFR calls on the flop?
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#7
05-17-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
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Suppose you 3-bet and get 3 callers (and the PFR doesn't cap). Turn blanks. Do you bet out? [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] What if only the PFR calls on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Yes.
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#8
05-17-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
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I have a follow up question, though. Suppose you 3-bet and get 3 callers (and the PFR doesn't cap). Turn blanks. Do you bet out? What if only the PFR calls on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] AWESOME! I don't know.
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#9
05-17-2005, 01:32 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
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I don't know. [/ QUOTE ] Seems simple to me. Your fold equity against a field of 4 is really low, HU much better.
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#10
05-17-2005, 01:34 PM
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Re: Pumping the flop with a strong draw at the risk of losing players
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What if only the PFR calls on the flop? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes. [/ QUOTE ] If you were the button and held AA (or maybe AK) and everyone folded to that 3 bet, what would you do? You'd call and plan on popping the turn, wouldn't you? Sure that's a big hand, but what else does the PFR raise the whole field with?
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