1st SS post

itsmesteve · #1 05-17-2005, 12:31 PM

No reads, 2nd orbit and villain just sat down a few hands ago . . .

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

This is my first SS post, moving up from micros. This is also the first full ring session i've played at Stars. Did i miss a river bet? Is the aggro turned up a bit too high? Am i wasting your time? flame away . . .

brettbrettr · #2 05-17-2005, 12:33 PM

Bet river.

Entity · #3 05-17-2005, 12:34 PM

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Bet river.

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You really think 88/AQ pay off?

Rob

brettbrettr · #4 05-17-2005, 12:38 PM

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Bet river.

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You really think 88/AQ pay off?

Rob

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My default at 2/4 Party is that, yes, they do, and worse hands too. Stars might be tighter, I don't know for sure.

crunchy1 · #5 05-17-2005, 12:50 PM

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Bet river.

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You really think 88/AQ pay off?
Rob

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My default at 2/4 Party is that, yes, they do, and worse hands too. Stars might be tighter, I don't know for sure.

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I disagree here... Default at Party against a player with reads maybe - but not against an unkown.

I don't think that an unkown CO pays off a worse hand here often enough to bet the river. Furthermore, he's unkown and checking gives Hero the opportunity to review the hand in the history which gives Hero a good start on some information against villian.

DMBFan23 · #6 05-17-2005, 12:55 PM

I think this is fine. some marginal hands I lump into "value bet without a read" but I agree with entity that this one is probably "value bet with a read" territory.

Schmed · #7 05-17-2005, 01:08 PM

I think you played it well. The CO opened the door for your 3 bet preflop and you obliged. I don't even think the river check down is all that passive although I'm sure some will disagree. He may have been raising 88 but there are a lot of hands that he could have like 10,10 up that have you beat and he's gone calling station because he's afraid of AK.

lil' · #8 05-17-2005, 01:29 PM

What pushes the river action into bet territory is the preflop action. Looking back, CO raised preflop, making it much more likely he is calling here with some type of ace.

So bet the river. If raised, you have an easy fold, but that's not likely anyway.

crunchy1 · #9 05-17-2005, 01:55 PM

ICK!

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What pushes the river action into bet territory is the preflop action. Looking back, CO raised preflop, making it much more likely he is calling here with some type of ace.

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What Ace is an unkown CO check/calling UI on the river?

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So bet the river. If raised, you have an easy fold, but that's not likely anyway.

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If there's a fold on the river to a checkraise it's FAR from easy!?!

lil' · #10 05-17-2005, 02:15 PM

What Ace is an unkown CO check/calling UI on the river?
Any ace. I was thinking of a big ace like A-10 through A-Q, but it could be any ace, really. It happens all the time. Or maybe you're missing too many value bets on the river and not giving the typical low limit player enough chances to call you on the river with these types of hands. He could also have paired his crappy kicker, or maybe he has some lower pocket pair.

If there's a fold on the river to a checkraise it's FAR from easy!?!
What can I say, except it SHOULD be easy. I wouldn't want to pay off a CR here with an underpair and a paired undercard on the board. But that is beside the point, because, as I said, it's highly unlikely the opponent will do anything but fold or call.