Poker Stars 5-10 bare ace play

LA_Price · #1 10-19-2005, 10:40 AM

Played online for the first time in awhile. Just sat down so no real reads on anyone yet.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $10 BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($1000)
CO ($1313.70)
Button ($1340.50)
SB ($940)
BB ($1000)
UTG ($3379)
UTG+1 ($1111)
MP1 ($983.50)
MP2 ($5978.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $30, 1 fold, Hero calls $30, CO calls $30, 3 folds.

Flop: ($105) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 bets $60, Hero raises to $282, CO folds, MP1 calls $222.

Turn: ($669) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $666

Like it or no? What about not reraising preflop? I've been doing this more and just basically trying to outplay my opponets postflop.

joewatch · #2 10-19-2005, 02:08 PM

I like your play preflop and on the flop, but I don't like your play on the turn. Your semibluff raise on the flop suggests you have TTxx or 77xx, not Axxx(s [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]). So your pot bet on the turn is inconsistent, making it an easy call for Villain if he has any flush. I think a 1/2 pot bet is sufficient to test Villain's hand if that's what you want to do.

An advanced play that might work here since you are playing 5/10 is checking behind the turn, then raising all-in on the river if Villain bets, or betting the pot if he checks to you on the river. (AKA the delayed naked-ace bluff. )

#3 10-19-2005, 02:41 PM

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Your semibluff raise on the flop suggests you have TTxx or 77xx, not Axxx(s [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])

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Just a question from someone trying to learn, but couldnt a reraise here also suggest a hand like:

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-J-8-9 with one of those three also a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BluffTHIS! · #4 10-19-2005, 03:41 PM

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Just a question from someone trying to learn, but couldnt a reraise here also suggest a hand like:

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-J-8-9 with one of those three also a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Yes it could, but joe's line is better. Raising the flop like that and then betting when the flush gets there will often just be read as a set trying not to get bluffed and won't be believed as often as waiting until the flush gets there to bet/raise. And of course this should only usually be done against tighter players.

Tilt · #5 10-19-2005, 07:10 PM

Id like it better if you had some reads. If you knew he wasnt a player to make tough calls though then I think its all good, though Id bet $400 or so on the turn. If he has a set and draws for the house, you need to leave him something to fold for on the river.

ThePortuguee · #6 10-19-2005, 07:19 PM

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Id bet $400 or so on the turn.

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I think this does more than just leave villain something to fold for on turn, I think it makes the flush more convincing. Betting like half pot forces villain to define his hand but also seems less likely to be read as a bluff, and more as trying to "sell the nuts," as it were. Agree anyone?

joewatch · #7 10-19-2005, 10:47 PM

I agree, (and that's why I said it first!) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

#8 10-19-2005, 11:42 PM

Bare ace plays are like beating lie detector tests - you have to really believe you have the nut flush.

LA_Price · #9 10-20-2005, 08:12 AM

I actually really like the idea of betting $400 a lot more. In the actual hand he folded but I thought my larger bet was a mistake but just didn't happen to show it this time.