Need help not losing my chips when I have a big stack

Proofrock · #1 09-22-2005, 03:03 AM

Stars 11+rebuy 45k guaranteed earlier this evening. Hero is 3rd in chips with roughly 120 people remaining. Pot odds kept me in this. Help on all streets appreciated.

The only read I have is that MP2 minraises with a wide range of hands. Less than an orbit before he had minraised with 78s to 8000, then called another 20,000 allin from a shortstack.

-cj

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (8 handed) converter

UTG (t41525)
UTG+1 (t128199)
MP1 (t106772)
MP2 (t124003)
CO (t67490)
Hero (t218914)
SB (t24687)
BB (t80885)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t8000, 1 fold, Hero calls t8000, SB raises to t24487, 1 fold, MP2 calls t16487, Hero calls t16487.

Flop: (t74661) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t50000, MP2 raises to t99316, Hero calls t49316.

Turn: (t273293) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

River: (t273293) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Final Pot: t273293

Results in white below: 
MP2 has 3d 3h (full house, threes full of fives).
Hero has Jc Td (two pair, jacks and fives).
SB has 5s Ah (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: MP2 wins t273293.

Chief911 · #2 09-22-2005, 03:08 AM

Why would you call preflop with this?

Nick

Exitonly · #3 09-22-2005, 03:09 AM

Fold to the first raise, fold to the second raise.

I wouldn't even call just the BB w/ this.

suited and i would though.

Proofrock · #4 09-22-2005, 03:11 AM

Because I'm on the button, big stack, Villain (raiser) has minraised several times since I've been moved to the table and the only hand he's shown has been 78s. Something wrong with this?

-cj

Ruddiger · #5 09-22-2005, 03:12 AM

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Because I'm on the button, big stack, Villain (raiser) has minraised several times since I've been moved to the table and the only hand he's shown has been 78s. Something wrong with this?

-cj

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No really, fold.

Chief911 · #6 09-22-2005, 03:12 AM

Yes. Fold preflop. Or raise. Calling is not good.

Nick

Proofrock · #7 09-22-2005, 03:15 AM

seriously? I can see folding to the first raise, but the second ... I'm getting 3 to 1 to make that call.

-cj

Proofrock · #8 09-22-2005, 03:18 AM

Alright, so either fold or raise ... I can buy that. But could you explain why just calling is a bad idea?

-cj

Exitonly · #9 09-22-2005, 03:19 AM

but you can't even play for top pair.. you're really looking for two pair or better here... and odds against that are 29:1 for non suited, non connectors... dunno for conneectors, but can't be considerably better, probably 22 or 25:1

Proofrock · #10 09-22-2005, 03:21 AM

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Because I'm on the button, big stack, Villain (raiser) has minraised several times since I've been moved to the table and the only hand he's shown has been 78s. Something wrong with this?

-cj

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No really, fold.

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Alright, care to explain? I've given reasons for calling -- at least explain why you disagree with those reasons.

-cj