urgle gurgle 5/10 AA

yvesaint · #1 11-21-2005, 06:49 AM

table seems fairly passive, i have been raising a lot though, and re-raising a fair amount

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP ($1356.50)
Button ($950)
SB ($1228)
BB ($2707)
Hero ($1163)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $40, MP calls $40, 1 fold, SB calls $35, 1 fold.

Flop: ($130) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $120, MP calls $120, SB calls $120.

Turn: ($490) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $400

turn bet bad? i considered check-raising here, but i decided against it, not seeing what could call that id beat

MP min-raises to 800. easy fold, right?

xorbie · #2 11-21-2005, 06:54 AM

Pushing the turn is an option.

yvesaint · #3 11-21-2005, 06:56 AM

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what calls me? pair+draws? a strong K? theres less possibility of a draw out there with me holding the Ah

Maulik · #4 11-21-2005, 06:57 AM

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what calls me? pair+draws? a strong K? theres less possibility of a draw out there with me holding the Ah

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Its possible KJ, KQ & AK do this here?

Maulik · #5 11-21-2005, 06:59 AM

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what calls me? pair+draws? a strong K? theres less possibility of a draw out there with me holding the Ah

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Given your image i think lots of K9+ hands min-raise you on the turn.

yvesaint · #6 11-21-2005, 07:01 AM

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Given your image i think lots of K9+ hands min-raise you on the turn.

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dont you think i am showing a good amount of strength there though? i raise UTG, pot flop against 2 others, then pot turn again ....

a push on the turn may be called by a strong K in retrospect ..... if these guys bet at all i wanted to try check-raising but these guys were pretty passive

xorbie · #7 11-21-2005, 07:03 AM

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what calls me? pair+draws? a strong K? theres less possibility of a draw out there with me holding the Ah

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Well, the push really depends on table dynamics, but I do this all the time if I've been pretty active on the flop. AK or KQ will very often look you up. Also I think there could easily be a pair + flush draw here which could call. This is a board that doesn't make a lot of two pairs, and most sets are raising the flop, so I say bomb away.

Maulik · #8 11-21-2005, 07:06 AM

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Given your image i think lots of K9+ hands min-raise you on the turn.

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dont you think i am showing a good amount of strength there though? i raise UTG, pot flop against 2 others, then pot turn again ....

a push on the turn may be called by a strong K in retrospect ..... if these guys bet at all i wanted to try check-raising but these guys were pretty passive

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I think xorbie was able to more eloquently state what I'm getting at. Additionally, I think a set tries to build a pot on the flop rather than the turn.

When I've been extremely active I've had villains often min-raise me with mid pair good kicker.

xorbie · #9 11-21-2005, 07:12 AM

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Given your image i think lots of K9+ hands min-raise you on the turn.

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dont you think i am showing a good amount of strength there though? i raise UTG, pot flop against 2 others, then pot turn again ....

a push on the turn may be called by a strong K in retrospect ..... if these guys bet at all i wanted to try check-raising but these guys were pretty passive

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Here's the deal. Unless I am playing in rock central, when I get called in two places on a draw heavy flop in a raised pot with AA I am pretty much getting it all in. So in order to ensure that I get it all in against the widest range possible (i.e. not just hands that beat me), I push. I'm not saying I always do that, but it's a viable option.

Maulik · #10 11-21-2005, 07:15 AM

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Given your image i think lots of K9+ hands min-raise you on the turn.

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dont you think i am showing a good amount of strength there though? i raise UTG, pot flop against 2 others, then pot turn again ....

a push on the turn may be called by a strong K in retrospect ..... if these guys bet at all i wanted to try check-raising but these guys were pretty passive

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Here's the deal. Unless I am playing in rock central, when I get called in two places on a draw heavy flop in a raised pot with AA I am pretty much getting it all in. So in order to ensure that I get it all in against the widest range possible (i.e. not just hands that beat me), I push. I'm not saying I always do that, but it's a viable option.

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are you open-pushing the turn or leading then pushing? clearly, calling is terrible if you're money is going in it may as well be on the turn.