Good, Fair, Horrible?

Sneezy · #1 06-22-2004, 04:37 PM

Paradise Poker 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.02.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (12 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (12 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12 BB
Main Pot: 12 BB, between SB, BB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (12 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Qc 7c (one pair, sevens).
BB shows Qs Jc (one pair, jacks).
Hero shows Ks Ad (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 12 BB. 

Paradise Poker 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks,

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP3 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 18 BB
Main Pot: 18 BB, between MP3 and Hero. > Pot won by MP3 (18 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP3 shows Ah Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero shows 8d Kh (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: MP3 wins 18 BB.

SA-Bishop · #2 06-22-2004, 04:51 PM

Hand one I'd be scared of a set or the straight, but I aint going anywhere with this hand yet. I would have at least bet the river, maybe the turn too, but I wouldnt be suprised to run into a checkraise.

Hand two I'd most likely fold preflop. Flop is fine, but I think you were too aggressive on the turn. Villian might have just waited with his trip jacks until the turn to extract some BBs. It's not a strong read though, he could have 9x or 99 or he could just be really aggressive. It's a large pot so the call down was good, I'm just not sure about raising the turn with your marginal hand.

secada · #3 06-22-2004, 05:12 PM

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Hand one I'd be scared of a set or the straight, but I aint going anywhere with this hand yet. I would have at least bet the river, maybe the turn too, but I wouldnt be suprised to run into a checkraise.

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The set is very unlikely because no one 3-bet PF. The straight is possible if the players are horrible and called a PF raise with Q10, but do you think a typical micro limit player is going to cap the flop with a flopped nut straight? I think you'd more likely see them smooth call and raise the turn.

Just my opinion.

-secada

secada · #4 06-22-2004, 05:06 PM

hand 1-bet the turn, if you are raised you can check/call.

hand 2-fold PF. see the other discussion currently going on about playing from the SB.

-secada

Jaran · #5 06-22-2004, 05:13 PM

Hey Secada,
This complete is a little different than the other one in discussion. Hero is getting 17:1 for his complete here. I would complete w/72o for those odds.

-Jaran

secada · #6 06-22-2004, 11:29 PM

If this is a correct play I am just not seeing how this is a +EV play. I understand it's only half a small bet but how do you play this when you flop a K?

-secada

Jaran · #7 06-23-2004, 12:30 AM

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...but how do you play this when you flop a K?

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Very carefully. (sorry, had to) You are really looking for a miracle flop. If you don't get it, you can fold and be done with it. If you hit, you get paid off huge. When a K flops, I tend to bet out and test the waters. Others suggest checkraising (prolly superior). Either way, I'm treading lightly. I have no problem checking the turn after leading the flop, especially if there are a lot of callers. If my bet folds it down to one or two, I might fire again.

-Jaran

Jaran · #8 06-22-2004, 05:11 PM

Hey Sneezy,
Hand 1- OMG, did you forget where the bet button went? PF and flop were nice, then you suddenly stopped. Why? Bet the turn and hope someone raises so you can 3bet. Bet the river

Hand 2- I'd like to say I would fold to the 3bet, but I prolly play it the same as you. FYI, the typical party line w/trips is to wait until the turn to pop 'em

-Jaran

B Dids · #9 06-22-2004, 05:15 PM

Hand 1- Horrible.

If you're out of position, then yeah, after the capped pot preflop you might check, but once it's checked TO you, bet. Even if you didn't bet the turn, once it was checked to you on the river you HAVE to bet.

Hands that beat you here QT, AA, KK, and JJ. AA and KK are very unlikely, given that most of them are in play. QT and JJ probably don't check to you on the turn.

B Dids · #10 06-22-2004, 05:17 PM

Hand 2- Slow down. I'm not sure I like your c/r here or your turn raise. I think MP3 told you he had a jack when he bet into you on the turn.