Bubble JJ hand

durron597 · #1 08-02-2005, 10:54 PM

I don't like the risk reward ratio of pushing preflop. I probably should have just made a standard raise but I didn't want to have to fold to a push. On the flop I'm not afraid of the 1 queen (continuation bet) until he calls me.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

Hero (t3635)
SB (t2980)
BB (t2075)
UTG (t4810)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t400, Hero calls t400, 1 fold, BB calls t200.

Flop: (t1300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets t200, Hero raises to t900, BB folds, UTG calls t700.

Turn: (t3100) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t3100) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t3100

johnnybeef · #2 08-02-2005, 11:15 PM

i think you played it fine

jeffraider · #3 08-03-2005, 12:03 AM

I like it! There's not really a better way to play it on the flop or preflop, I think.

DyessMan89 · #4 08-03-2005, 12:22 AM

Me Tarzan. Me want you to play turn and river more aggressivley. Roar.

ekky · #5 08-03-2005, 12:31 AM

have you shut down as soon as he calls the flop? I love the way you played it.. but hate the way he played it if he had you beat.

your pot control check on the turn was the key... no stack commitment and gave you a cheaper showdown if he bet small(ish) on the end.

im guessing he had an underpair and you took it down

lastchance · #6 08-03-2005, 12:38 AM

I push preflop, and it's obvious to me. Considering you didn't push preflop, a standard raise might work, but you do have to call a push over the top.

durron597 · #7 08-03-2005, 08:05 AM

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im guessing he had an underpair and you took it down

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That's exactly what I put him on too, but I was wrong.

durron597 · #8 08-03-2005, 08:08 AM

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I push preflop, and it's not close. Do you see why?

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FYP

In all seriousness, I would appreciate some reasoning as to why you want to push a 3600 stack into a 700 pot when my opponent is likely on 77+,KJ+,AT+? I mean sure I win the 700 a lot of the time but a good % of his range will call me and crush me.

lastchance · #9 08-03-2005, 08:15 AM

I don't know. Looking at it, your line might be better than mine... But, it's a pretty big pot you're playing for on the pot. At the very least, you have to call this, so it's going to be a large portion of your stack on the flop.

Also, it's a minraise, so I do suspect Villain to be looser that your range, in general.

Still, it's an interesting spot, one I haven't thought about too much...

Flop is also interesting. I think Villain has a weak Q a lot of the time here, maybe overs or a draw... Meh...

Still, FE is life, and I think I'm looking to take this pot down.

tigerite · #10 08-03-2005, 08:23 AM

I like the line. Especially on the turn to check behind as you have outs to the 2nd nut straight. He gave you the chance to get a cheap showdown, I don't see the harm in taking it. As for what he had I would say either some kind of draw (JT spades, maybe?) or QJ. I think AQ would re-raise you on the flop. I guess it's possible he has KQ, checks the river thinking you have AQ and will bet so he can check-raise. Hell at this level it could have been AK whiffed til the river.

I would think JTs he would want to at least get some guaranteed money in on the river though, so it's probably the least likely.