another boring, "i kick a*s at low limits, should i move up" post

[goofball]

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learn shorthanded if you ever want to be a great limit player.

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Shorthanded poker has made me 100x better at poker. Literally, not an exaggeration.

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Yeah.

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learn shorthanded if you ever want to be a great limit player.

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Shorthanded poker has made me 100x better at poker. Literally, not an exaggeration.

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And how does one go about doing that? Just reading the HUSH forum? HUSH articles and such?

[iceman5]

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in my experience 3/6 and 5/10 are baiscally the same - only difference I have seen is that 5/10 players have a few more tricks up their sleeves that are done at the correct time (as opposed to the tricky plays in 2/4 that are done at random bad times).

2/4 is the softest games at party, softer then 1/2. 3/6 games are tighter by about 5%, More aggressive PFR by 1% and smaller BB pots.

The average BB/100 in 1/2 for the average player is -3.53, in 2/4 its -3.04 and in 3/6 -2.71, so you see it's harder.

BUT - still lots of fish, just more good players.


Grinderswarehouse - NOT just another BLOG

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I dont play limit and have no idea what the answer to OPs question is. I do know this. Those avg win rates have nothing to do with the players being better. The win rates are less negative at 3/6 then 2/4 because the rake is a smaller percentage of the total amount of the pots. Thats it. It has nothing to do with the reason you listed.

[goofball]

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learn shorthanded if you ever want to be a great limit player.

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Shorthanded poker has made me 100x better at poker. Literally, not an exaggeration.

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And how does one go about doing that? Just reading the HUSH forum? HUSH articles and such?

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Playing shorthanded poker.

[billyjex]

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learn shorthanded if you ever want to be a great limit player.

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Shorthanded poker has made me 100x better at poker. Literally, not an exaggeration.

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And how does one go about doing that? Just reading the HUSH forum? HUSH articles and such?

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REading the HUSH forum is a great start, but the most important thing is experience. It's a different beast with a lot of variance and aggression but it is the game where your opponents make the most mistakes.

[twankerr]

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The average BB/100 in 1/2 for the average player is -3.53, in 2/4 its -3.04 and in 3/6 -2.71, so you see it's harder.

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Doesn't this just reflect the difference in rake between levels?

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Yes.

[MicroBob]

Agreed on the short-handed game.
Has helped me not suck as much as I used to.


The 2+2 concepts DO translate over to short-handed games.
Just because SSHE was written more for full-table games doesn't mean you aren't using many of the same concepts.
And the short-handed section in HEFAP is worthwhile as well.
Of course, the ideas in the HUSH forum help also.


I have found the 5/10 and 10/20 full tables on party to be relatively tight. Occasional fish of course...and some of the tighties are too passive-tight and can be run-over as well.

But the 3/6 and 5/10 6-max tables are loaded with fish. Not uncommon at all to see a VP-85 and VP-55 player at the same table and you just get to pick on them over and over.
Not uncommon at 10/20 6-max either.


If you have aspirations of playing 15/30 or 30/60 full-table down the road then you really should learn how to play 6-max.


Branch out....after beating up on the 2/4 full games you can even try out the 1/2 6-max games just to get used to them.
Give it a shot...maybe on the next reload bonus perhaps. You'll clear the hands faster anyway.


Regarding the monitors.
If your current monitor doesn't do 1600x1200 then get one that does.
You can get a cheap CRT for less than $200 that will allow you to see all 4 tables at once. It doesn't have to be expensive at all.

The Dell 2001FP's are the monitor of choice for many multi-tablers and run around $500 or so (depending on what kind of sale is going on at Dell).


I used to be in the camp of "I don't really mind clicking around too much. I don't feel like I'm missing much due to my minimal overlap."
Well....now that I have the ability to see all 4 tables at once I feel like it's pretty damn helpful.
Get a cheapo CRT monitor that will allow you to see all 4 tables....or invest in a Dell 2001FP.

No reason why youshould keep playing with overlap.

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10/20 6MAX YOU WILL PWN.

I suggest starting with just 3 tables tho.