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Old 10-05-2005, 09:21 AM
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Borgata, 10/20 yesterday.

2 players remaining on the river. First player checks, button reaches for chips (I don't think he picked them up yet, just lifted his hand up toward his stack), first player beats him into the pot with a call.

Button then says "I check". First player takes his call back and wins the pot, then has some choice words for the button.

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Old 10-05-2005, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: Is this shooting an angle?

If all button did was motion toward his stack without touching his chips I can't see this being an angle shoot. He may have been getting ready to scratch his nose.

Sounds like the first player was a WPT 'expert' and was trying to show up the button and act like a 'playa'.

Too bad his move backfired [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 10-05-2005, 09:40 AM
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Default Re: Is this shooting an angle?

1st player is a douche. He can't wait 5 seconds for the button to make a decision? If he lost a bet is it nobody's fault but his own.
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:06 AM
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Default Re: Is this shooting an angle?

It seems like the first player was trying to head off a bluff from the button, that's why he would call before the button bet.

Since he was successful, why would he be pissed? If he had the best hand and callled instantly because he knew it, why didn't he bet or check raise?
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:10 AM
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If he had the best hand and callled instantly because he knew it, why didn't he bet or check raise?

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Because he's a dumbass.
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Old 10-05-2005, 10:14 AM
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The first player took the pot with bottom pair, the button didn't show.

I think he was pissed because he should have (in his mind) gotten an additional $20 off the failed button bluff.
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: Is this shooting an angle?

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The first player took the pot with bottom pair, the button didn't show.

I think he was pissed because he should have (in his mind) gotten an additional $20 off the failed button bluff.

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That's ridiculous. From your description, the button did absolutely nothing that could be considered "action". For all the 1st player knew, the button might have been about to shuffle some chips while he thought about his move.

It's the 1st player who was angle-shooting, trying to force the button to commit to an action he hadn't made yet.

-Mike
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:19 PM
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First player checks, button reaches for chips (I don't think he picked them up yet, just lifted his hand up toward his stack)

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Caro's videos explain to do exactly this to sometimes get a tell.
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:22 PM
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First player = douche
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Old 10-05-2005, 01:24 PM
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Not an angle. If the chips didnt pass the bet line, its not a bet.
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