Got to Step 5, any words of wisdom?

[slickpoppa]

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Re-Read everything I posted with an unbiased view and post when you have spent more time in forumns besides the OT forumn where the majority of your posts appear to be.

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What you wrote was so well written I don't see why I should have to read it again. Like this gem:

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Step #2 is FULL of tight players who have dropped from the Step #3 or Step #4 (and yes ALOT of those folks mainly Step 3 buyin direct) level amongst those who DEARLY value their $50 buyin or they are SO HAPPY they made it past step #1. This leads to a VERY tight game and out of allt he step tourneys, step #2 averages 10 minutes longer per game I have played past ANY of the length of the other levels (yes 4 included).


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Your first sentence, if it can even be called a sentence, is incoherent. The fact that Step 2 tournaments last 10 minutes longer than other tournaments, if this is even true, means nothing. The level of difficulty of the Steps is 5>4>3>2>1.

[bugstud]

to be honest with the structure of step 4's an arguement can be made it's not the second toughest.

[WSOPWinner2005]

MS, I know it is beneath you but please do me a favor ? For the sake of argument and general knowledge, although why should I share? Maybe I should be quiet?

Anyways - you are a respected poster here... I would be interested in seeing you play 5 tourneys at each level and getting your take to see if I am on target on my readings.

Not that it matters what slick thinks, it is for the forumn. The fact that he said

"The level of difficulty of the Steps is 5>4>3>2>1. "

Shows me enough about this guy. He thinks EVERY 15/30 game will be weaker than the 30/60, 40/80, 50/100, and 100/200 live. Which plain and simple - IS NOT TRUE. Anyone who plays B&M at ALL or ever has knows this. Some of the easier money is at the higher levels. Draws gamblers... This is besides the point, we are speaking on-line here.

I would like any other posters here to chime in. In the meantime I am off to bed up a grand (weekends kick ASS)

[WackityWhiz]

honestly, I don't believe that the order would be 5-4-3-2-1 simply because of the number of players who make it to the next level. Anyone who tells you that level 4 is harder than level 1 or 2 or 3 will have a tough case to make IMO. Sure it is a higher level, but you have to think that over 80% of those people in level 4 have bought in at a lower level, so the quality of players will be similar. Anytime you can advance to the next level by beating just over half the field, your odds are greater. Level 5 is definately the hardest, followed by levels 2 and 1 respectively. Then Level 3 and finally the easiest step, level 4.

Let's face it, these step tourneys are 70% luck on the road to level 5, then it is all about avoiding the one killer bad beat. I have watched many level 5 tourneys and I can assure you that there are not too many maniacs. Everyone there has a good understanding of the game and ultimately the person who can avoid the KK vs AK loss (generally speaking) will have an optimum chance at cashing.

As for advice for the original poster. You are playing in a step 5 tourney for the first time (and most likely one of your last). This is comparable to putting your whole bankroll on the line at 10/20 hoping you can avoid the bad beat. Nobody can walk into step 5 for the first time with assurance that they will cash, because playing 1 tournament is all about short term luck. Players like Gigabet and PurpleLungs are players who can make step 5 +EV for a simple reason... they are able to compete in many many tournaments.

My advice, just go to step 5 with an open mind and try your best to get lucky, because that's about all you can hope for.

cheers

[WSOPWinner2005]

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honestly, I don't believe that the order would be 5-4-3-2-1 simply because of the number of players who make it to the next level. Anyone who tells you that level 4 is harder than level 1 or 2 or 3 will have a tough case to make IMO. Sure it is a higher level, but you have to think that over 80% of those people in level 4 have bought in at a lower level, so the quality of players will be similar. Anytime you can advance to the next level by beating just over half the field, your odds are greater. Level 5 is definately the hardest, followed by levels 2 and 1 respectively. Then Level 3 and finally the easiest step, level 4.

Let's face it, these step tourneys are 70% luck on the road to level 5, then it is all about avoiding the one killer bad beat. I have watched many level 5 tourneys and I can assure you that there are not too many maniacs. Everyone there has a good understanding of the game and ultimately the person who can avoid the KK vs AK loss (generally speaking) will have an optimum chance at cashing.

As for advice for the original poster. You are playing in a step 5 tourney for the first time (and most likely one of your last). This is comparable to putting your whole bankroll on the line at 10/20 hoping you can avoid the bad beat. Nobody can walk into step 5 for the first time with assurance that they will cash, because playing 1 tournament is all about short term luck. Players like Gigabet and PurpleLungs are players who can make step 5 +EV for a simple reason... they are able to compete in many many tournaments.

My advice, just go to step 5 with an open mind and try your best to get lucky, because that's about all you can hope for.

cheers

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Wackity, a wild guess it will nto be AAmaz0n's last time at this step [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Limit would be a great idea for her though as I never even thought about it. I haven't seen a step 5 limit game myself yet but I am sure they go down. And as posted, I am sure they are much weaker.

It would sem to me the majority of the people playing that particular table 'sepped' their way up and see the regulats at the NL Tables and are intimidated so they decided to try the limit version - and you would feel much more in place.

My guess is that you have to wait quite a while for that game to form but it would be MUCH MORE +EV For you as you play LHE for the most part and would pry tear such a game up a hell of alot easier than the NLHE counterpart.

I'd also guess you took a stab at the NL Table and didn't have much lck if you haven't re'd yet. No reason to feel you haven't made a accomplishment. Seriously working your way up the steps is tougher than playing the final game IMHO.

Next Time I have a step 5 entry I will hold off for one day even if I feel like I should hop in a game at the last minute 'because it feels right' and make sure I have a couple hours of playing under my belt and hit it up the next day totally refreshed.

Edited : My 'spellun' still sucks lol !! When is this board going to add a spell checker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Uglyowl]

Some people get terrified around the bubble. If you see that take advantage! They just want the $2,400 4th prize (2 table is the one I played.

[slickpoppa]

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Shows me enough about this guy. He thinks EVERY 15/30 game will be weaker than the 30/60, 40/80, 50/100, and 100/200 live. Which plain and simple - IS NOT TRUE.

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When did I say that? Never. I agree that between different establishments (BM vs online, Vegas vs. AC, casino vs. casino, etc) there can be higher levels of play at lower limits because different places attract different clientele. However, I do maintain that on an online site the higher limits will be harder than the lower limits on average.

[WSOPWinner2005]

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Shows me enough about this guy. He thinks EVERY 15/30 game will be weaker than the 30/60, 40/80, 50/100, and 100/200 live. Which plain and simple - IS NOT TRUE.

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When did I say that? Never. I agree that between different establishments (BM vs online, Vegas vs. AC, casino vs. casino, etc) there can be higher levels of play at lower limits because different places attract different clientele. However, I do maintain that on an online site the higher limits will be harder than the lower limits on average.

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I played 20/40 Limit O8 and bouht in with $500 just to see what the field was like last night as I saw weak play viewing the tables. I ran up to $1800 before losing 700 back short to a maniac who played like hell but got lucky.

The 20.40 Limit O8 game was MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than the PLO8 $100 even - SO I DISAGREE. Regrdless it doesn't matter and is all about the opinion of individuals and airing your opinion on this board is what it's all about.

Sorry if I came across harsh last night, hit a X-Mas party and had like 6 Long Island Ice Teas and Ihaven't drank since New YEar's Eve - needless to sya I had a helluva buzz going and I'm hella hung over today [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Let's just let the bad blood go, and get back to business. I shouldn't of been posting drunk regardless of whehther I am close to be right, totally right, or way off base regardless.

[HUSKER'66]

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Sorry if I came across harsh last night, hit a X-Mas party and had like 6 Long Island Ice Teas and Ihaven't drank since New YEar's Eve - needless to sya I had a helluva buzz going and I'm hella hung over today

Let's just let the bad blood go, and get back to business. I shouldn't of been posting drunk regardless of whehther I am close to be right, totally right, or way off base regardless.



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With the way this section came out, you must still be drunk. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

X-Mas party?!?!?! Has it been going on for over a month now?

Take a few aspirin and drink lots of H2O, maybe catch some shut eye....I heard it's good for the English Comp. (I know you mentioned spell checker in an earlier post) [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Husker

[WSOPWinner2005]

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Sorry if I came across harsh last night, hit a X-Mas party and had like 6 Long Island Ice Teas and Ihaven't drank since New YEar's Eve - needless to sya I had a helluva buzz going and I'm hella hung over today

Let's just let the bad blood go, and get back to business. I shouldn't of been posting drunk regardless of whehther I am close to be right, totally right, or way off base regardless.



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With the way this section came out, you must still be drunk. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

X-Mas party?!?!?! Has it been going on for over a month now?

Take a few aspirin and drink lots of H2O, maybe catch some shut eye....I heard it's good for the English Comp. (I know you mentioned spell checker in an earlier post) [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Husker

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LOL Husker, I actually took a vicodin in the morning cause I have a few for my Carpel Tunnel and toothache (have to get a root canal done). On top of that I took 5 Ibuprofen, pain starting to go away but I do still feel slightly drunk actually LOL - just not coordinated yet [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

It was a X-Mas party with 'friends' not family or anything.. We are all so busy around the holidays and it got delayed twice cause one person couldn't make it either of the other times we had it set grrrr... LOL

HAd no plans on drinking but than I was offered a Long Island Ice Tea and I haven't had one in literally 2 years - had to drink it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Boy did it go down smooth - the TGIF premix actually tasted good whereas it tasted like hell a couple years ago..

Needless to say I picked up a bottle for $6.50 on the way home from the party [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] NO MORE DRINKING FOR ME for a while again, I now remember what hangovers feel like!!