Caesars Palace 1-2: Deep stacks, Maniacal Bettor, 66 on a K,4,3 flop

[ajmargarine]

Push preflop the second time it comes to you after looking at villian and saying "I knew you were gonna raise".

Raise the turn. You may push him off of hands that beat you (higher pp's). Unless he has a King he folds or slows down and checks to you on the river. So it's likely you invest the same amount of $$$ in the hand as you would if you call, call; and you have the added benefit of possibly folding hands that beat you.

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Push preflop the second time it comes to you after looking at villian and saying "I knew you were gonna raise".

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I think playing for a set is more +EV than pushing preflop and making him fold. He might just call you with a coinfip. If you hit your set you're getting paid.

As the board fell I think you need to decide on the flop if you are going to call him down. Either fold on the flop or commit $200 to your 66 unimproved. I prefer a fold. If he has two overs you are flipping, and his betting pattern means nothing, so you aren't getting any information to put him on imporved trash versus unimproved trash. I think this play is only slightly +EV at best.

A better approach to this player is to wait for TPTK and raise flop, call reraise, call two more barrels.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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A better approach to this player is to wait for TPTK and raise flop, call reraise, call two more barrels.

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No it isn't. A better approach than this one would be to cut him a check for your stack directly and going to eat a piece of pizza.

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A better approach to this player is to wait for TPTK and raise flop, call reraise, call two more barrels.

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No it isn't. A better approach than this one would be to cut him a check for your stack directly and going to eat a piece of pizza.

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Eh? If you don't agree, it would be helpful if you actually explained why, both to me and my bankroll, because I regularly call down maniacs with TPTK.

My thoughts are based off of this hand:
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This guy was more than willing to back up his pre-flop raises with strong post-flop bets, raises, and re-raises. In one specific hand, he bet $20 into a ~$60 pot on the flop, an opponent check-raised him another $20. He re-raised $100 more. His opponent put him all-in. The guy folded, showing no hand and no draw (on a flop of A,Q,x).

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[TheWorstPlayer]

Hyper aggro guys get hands too. If you're backing TPTK with your stack every time you're going to lose your stack when he makes a hand. A better strategy is to play small pots with marginal hands and big pots with big hands.

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If you're backing TPTK with your stack every time you're going to lose your stack when he makes a hand.

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Agreed, but if he will fire with trash as often as he fires with a made hand (more often, because he always fires with trash, but will only pick up 2 pair or better every 5 flops or so), calling down with TPTK is +EV.

I may lose my stack when he has a hand, but I think he doubles me up more often than he stacks me. It's higher variance for sure, but playing LAGs is always higher variance. Another advantage is that if he is deep, once he doubles you up you can try to stack him again for twice as much with a real hand. Thoughts?

[TheWorstPlayer]

Calling down with TPTK is fine. Raising flop, calling re-raise, and stacking off on turn and river is not fine.

[Isura]

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I think playing for a set is more +EV than pushing preflop and making him fold. He might just call you with a coinfip. If you hit your set you're getting paid.

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Lags rarely have hands good enough to pay you off with. The lag WANTs you to call for set value and check/fold when you miss.

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I think playing for a set is more +EV than pushing preflop and making him fold. He might just call you with a coinfip. If you hit your set you're getting paid.

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Lags rarely have hands good enough to pay you off with. The lag WANTs you to call for set value and check/fold when you miss.

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This guy isnt lag, hes a maniac ATM.
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So, he's hyper-aggressive, nearly impossible to intimidate, and enjoying himself while playing this way. But, he's not clueless. He's betting a lot. He'll make loose calls for sure. But, he's not calling huge bets with nothing.

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Second edit: OK maybe not quite ATM but you can get a good deal of money in when he raises you on the flop...

Third edit: I never said check/fold if you miss, I just do not advocate a push preflop.