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Old 12-26-2005, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: Did Arnie Really Deserve This?

"China (Russia as well) gets away with a lot of human rights abuses since the focus has been on the middle east and the US, I agree on that."

I think the reason we get such a hard time is because people have a high opinion of us, whereas they have given up on the other two.

Alot of times too I feel people expect far too much out of us.

We aren't suppose to send troops all over the world, but we are suppose to provide all the manpower for peacekeeping and police Darfur.

We aren't suppose to use oil or be capitalists, but we are suppose to buy everyone elses goods so thier economies can grow.

We aren't suppose to impose our believes, but we are suppose to enforce human rights.

Mostly, you just get the impression that other countries talk about doing things while we are suppose to actually do it. People talk about Darfur, but the US is expected to actually do it. People talked about Kuwait, but the US did most of the heavy lifting. If Taiwan is invaded or Kim John goes crazy or something else happens everyone else will talk about what should be done while we are expected to actually do something. When you are constantly criticized no matter what course of action you take you just want to say [censored] it all.
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Old 12-26-2005, 07:21 PM
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You guys have a lot of strange misconceptions about the American justice system. A lot of black men go to jail, but a lot of black men also committ crimes. What are we suppose to do, not arrest them because they are black?

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there is a lot of evidence that blacks are treated much harsher by the justice system than whites.

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I believe there is similar evidence that blacks also recieve longer sentences for similar crimes, but i don't have any links or resources to back that up right now.
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: Did Arnie Really Deserve This?

I'm confused. Are you upset that his name was on a stadium, or that it was taken off.

The article states Arnold asked for it to be taken off.

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Old 12-26-2005, 10:53 PM
Arnfinn Madsen Arnfinn Madsen is offline
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Your points have some validity. Understand in this context that you are a superpower and you conduct actions that influence the lives of citizens of other countries to a higher degree than most countries.

P.S. There are other countries who are now willing to intervene in Darfur.
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Old 12-27-2005, 12:14 AM
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The article states Arnold asked for it to be taken off.

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He asked for it to be taken off because he knew that it was inevitably going to be taken off anyway:

"After Williams' December 13 execution triggered a firestorm in Europe and reignited calls for Graz's stadium to be stripped of Schwarzenegger's name, the governor opted for a pre-emptive strike: A week ago, he wrote a letter to local officials ordering his name to be removed and said he was returning an ornate ring of honor that Graz officials gave him in 1999."

Sounds like he was sick of his name being dragged through the mud by the politicians in Graz so he put an end to it on his own.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:24 AM
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P.S. There are other countries who are now willing to intervene in Darfur.

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Kinda late now, don't you think? Besides, what's stopping them?
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:56 AM
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Commit the crime in America and hire a very good lawyer.

In Austria you will be punished.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:01 AM
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It may or may not be racist but it is definitely stacked against the average blackperson.

THis is because the usual face off in court for the average black person accused of a heinous crime is: a team of lawyers with essentially limitless resources driven by a frenzied media against an overworked public defender with highly limited resources.

Of course, the level of racism in the police is likely higher than inthe average population -- the reason usually offered is that blacks commit more crimes and therefore they are more likely guilty of any crime they are accused off. But once it gets to court the issue is usually the resources.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:04 AM
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I think the reason we get such a hard time is because people have a high opinion of us, whereas they have given up on the other two.


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Perhaps. But to offer a strawman:

Perhaps it is because we project a very high opinion of ourselves in words but dont always follow up in actions. This is specially true these days IMO.
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:51 AM
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P.S. There are other countries who are now willing to intervene in Darfur.

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Kinda late now, don't you think? Besides, what's stopping them?

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Very late, but it will happen now.
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