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#31
10-24-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: Whats the best way to read women?
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I'd say you are 70%. My only concern is negative #3. That makes me worry that she falls in the category of what you might call "movie star niceness" (I just coined that phrase)where she takes it upon herself to make guys out of her league feel good about the attention she gives them, never considering that they may start to think they have a chance with her. If that's the case you are drawing dead. But you'll find out almost instantly so it won't be a prolonged ordeal. [/ QUOTE ] This is gold! Will the 2+2 Guide to Dating Hot Older Women be published before or after your NL tour'de force? 
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#32
10-24-2005, 05:05 PM
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I am not talking about being overly romantic - but as much as women don't like it when men seem needy or pushy, they also DO like it when men are direct and ask for what they want - this is one of the biggest differences you see in women as you get older. [/ QUOTE ] I've started to see how important the balance is between cockiness and confidence. It's a hard one to walk but is very key, I think, to success in these endeavours. I used to either play it cool and stupid, or be overly romantic right away and scare girls away (or attract the crazy ones). I just recently got up the cojones to finally just ask a girl if she wanted to go out that weekend. To my surprise, it actually worked. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#33
10-24-2005, 05:09 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I'd say you are 70%. My only concern is negative #3. That makes me worry that she falls in the category of what you might call "movie star niceness" (I just coined that phrase)where she takes it upon herself to make guys out of her league feel good about the attention she gives them, never considering that they may start to think they have a chance with her. If that's the case you are drawing dead. But you'll find out almost instantly so it won't be a prolonged ordeal. [/ QUOTE ] This is gold! Will the 2+2 Guide to Dating Hot Older Women be published before or after your NL tour'de force? [/ QUOTE ] suckup j/k
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#34
10-24-2005, 05:11 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] She's giving you a lot of signals and if you don't act on them soon she will put you in the "wuss" category and chicks don't want a wussyboy. Try putting it into your head that you're not the lucky one because she's interested, you're the prize and she will have to work for it. Do not go out and buy her dinner as that's wussy too, she'll just think that you want to buy her, instead suggest that she should come along with you and do something not related to school. For example say "hey (hot chick), I'm going to this new flying aquarium (or whatever) downtown, you should tag along, it will be fun." If she's interested she'll bite and if not there's plenty more fish in the sea. Seems like you get along together so keep it up and don't start acting needy and calling her 10 times a day in case it starts to work your way. Girls don't like needy guys either, just keep teasing her so she doesn't really know where she has you. Just think about how good you can make her feel and not the other way around. [/ QUOTE ] Honestly, I think this is absolutely terrible advice. I agree that you don't want to seem needy, but most women prefer a man who is open and upfront and honest. I would ask her out for dinner - there is no ambiguity about dinner - it is a date. All this "oh...you know...whatever...I'm too good for you" BS This may get you laid, but its not the way you start off with a woman if you want anything more than a romp in the hay. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying that you should act like a jerk, I'm saying that you should not act like she's some divine creature. I'm not saying you should be dishonest either, where did you get that from? This whole "asking for a date" also puts alot of pressure in the situation where as going out for just a coffee or for a walk is more neutral, the goal should be to have fun and not trying to be romantic the first date. People want what they can't have so you should definitely NOT start opening up your heart and telling her what you feel for her in the beginning, that's a sure fire way to get her running for the hills unless she's insecure or you're Brad Pitt. Her excitement comes from not knowing what comes next and if you tell her right away that you like her and will do anything for her she'll lose all that excitement and can just take you for granted. If i can play with what you're writing too, about being totally upfront and honest I suppose you're suggesting he'll go to her and say "You're beautiful, I want to have sex with you." That way of being honest won't get you very far now will it? [/ QUOTE ] You are right - and I apologize for misinterpreting your advice - I just hear it a lot from guys that you have to act all cool and aloof - and my experience is that such an approach only works with skanky women or women with poor self-esteem. I am not talking about being overly romantic - but as much as women don't like it when men seem needy or pushy, they also DO like it when men are direct and ask for what they want - this is one of the biggest differences you see in women as you get older. College is sort of a middle ground, so its hard to tell what kind of woman this is. Most women I know - and knew in college - would respect a man who said to her "would you like to go out for dinner this weekend?" rather than trying to act all coy. When you ask for that, you are telling the woman that you want to spend an evening with her and her alone - that makes her feel wanted and makes her feel special - and that is what women want to feel. [/ QUOTE ] We might be on the same page after all, I meant to include what you said about knowing what you want too. Being a man who knows what he wants and how to get it is very attractive to women, alot of this depends on your self esteem though. I think that when you ask her to do something don't act like you're lucky to even be in her presence. Instead see it as an opportunity for the both of you to have a good time together. This sends all the right messages, that you're confident, know what you want and are not afraid of her because she happens to be so good looking.
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10-24-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: Whats the best way to read women?
great call, that is exactly what i was thinking
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#36
10-24-2005, 05:50 PM
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great call, that is exactly what i was thinking [/ QUOTE ] Am I seeing a trend here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#37
10-24-2005, 05:50 PM
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I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure you're in the 'friend zone'. All the 'positives' you listed definitely make me think she likes you, but there's a HUGE difference between her liking you as a friend and getting her back to your dorm room to do a little hibbidy-dibbity ifyouknowwhati'msayin'andithinkyoudo.
On the other hand, I don't think it's hopeless. The 'negatives' you listed don't really seem to be negatives to me. Here's a few 'key tells' I'd look for: 1) from a previous poster, if she EVER brings up a boyfriend, no-go (duh [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]). 2) Casual physical contact. If a female is interested, she'll tend to engage in physical contact, just as she may have done in grade school- a playful shove, a touch on the arm while talking, stuff like that. I know you mentioned hugs, but that could go either way, as you pointed out. 3) Weekend nights- what is she doing? Is she asking you what you're doing? If you haven't discussed it, it's a sign that either she doesn't want to take it to the next level, or she wants YOU to do it. As cliche/old-fashioned as it may sound, women like men who have the confidence to make the first move. Do you have any mutual friends? If so, see if they have a read on the situation. It usually seems a lot more clear to an observer what's up. If no mutual friends, anyone that may be able to observe you two "in play" so to speak... Do you drink? Does she? Just as in poker, tells become more prominent when people drink. Not saying get her drunk, but a couple to loosen her (and you) up may get you moving in the right direction. This is starting to turn into an advice on how to succeed with women, when all you asked for is a way to read the signals. From my vantage point, I'd say she's not currently interested as more than a friend, but it's not to say that she can't be. Good luck.
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#38
10-24-2005, 06:22 PM
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Just whip it out already, are you retarded?
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#39
10-24-2005, 06:57 PM
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Just whip it out already, are you retarded? [/ QUOTE ] The thought had crossed my mind, until I read this story about a man who tried the same method, with unfavorable results.
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#40
10-24-2005, 07:25 PM
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[ QUOTE ] great call, that is exactly what i was thinking [/ QUOTE ] Am I seeing a trend here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] My comment was intended to showcase my rapier wit. Hey Snowball, sorry I forget to give you the collective wisdom of OOT: Get drunk, call her.
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