MySpace Trip Report

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Dude- read the post right above yours. Then go read mine in the Diablo thread.

Having OOT not be a place to just dump on women=good thing.

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I didn't really see any place where she got dumped on though. He told the story and someone I guess linked to it. I just don't see it as a big deal in conjuction with having a myspace account. It would be different if searching her out went beyond that IMO.

ON the note of dumping on women I agree and I was the one who insituted the no using terms like whore, [censored] etc towards female posters. this just doesn't rise to that level IMO

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Man this was a great thread and she be back in OOT. We need to rethink the myspace policy. It's a public internet site and so is this. If people post a myspace story they should in no way be able to later request it be moved because it makes its way over to the myspace-ie. Also there isn't anything wrong that I can see with linking to the myspace account or linking to the thread within the myspace account.

people are adults who [censored] up and post about it, and then we all get to laugh and try and ruin their life over it. Let's not mess with a good formula.

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Man, you have been on since your hiatus!

[craig r]

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Man this was a great thread and she be back in OOT. We need to rethink the myspace policy. It's a public internet site and so is this. If people post a myspace story they should in no way be able to later request it be moved because it makes its way over to the myspace-ie. Also there isn't anything wrong that I can see with linking to the myspace account or linking to the thread within the myspace account.

people are adults who [censored] up and post about it, and then we all get to laugh and try and ruin their life over it. Let's not mess with a good formula.

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So, if I went out with a girl one time that I met on Myspace and post her link, people should be able to harass her? Obviously you don't think people should harass her, but you know that they would.

On the other hand, Yako wanting the thread moved, I really have no thoughts on that. But, there is zero reason that some "innocent" person should have to be harassed because she didn't (or did) bang some guy.

craig

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Man this was a great thread and she be back in OOT. We need to rethink the myspace policy. It's a public internet site and so is this. If people post a myspace story they should in no way be able to later request it be moved because it makes its way over to the myspace-ie. Also there isn't anything wrong that I can see with linking to the myspace account or linking to the thread within the myspace account.

people are adults who [censored] up and post about it, and then we all get to laugh and try and ruin their life over it. Let's not mess with a good formula.

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So, if I went out with a girl one time that I met on Myspace and post her link, people should be able to harass her? Obviously you don't think people should harass her, but you know that they would.

On the other hand, Yako wanting the thread moved, I really have no thoughts on that. But, there is zero reason that some "innocent" person should have to be harassed because she didn't (or did) bang some guy.

craig

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She's on myspace regardless if her link is posted in 2+2 or not. Therefore is people want harass her they can and will regardless of any actions 2+2 takes. She is free to remove herself from myspace at anytime. The only question relevant to 2+2 is if everytime a link to myspace is put up are we going to remove entire threads because of something myspace users who also happen to be 2+2 users may do. I think this is ridiculous at its very nature.

Also its not harassment at all, which is a legal term with a set definition. It may be bothering, it may be annoying and it may be childish and offensive but its not harassment and let's not pretend that it is.

Also as I understand it a myspace makes first chooses to put up a profile which is accessible by the public, the user also chooses to make a blog and allow people to post on and contant them. These choices have consequences both good anc bad.

I think we should worry about 2+2 and let myspace decide if any comments posted on their site should be dealt with.

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Man this was a great thread and she be back in OOT. We need to rethink the myspace policy. It's a public internet site and so is this. If people post a myspace story they should in no way be able to later request it be moved because it makes its way over to the myspace-ie. Also there isn't anything wrong that I can see with linking to the myspace account or linking to the thread within the myspace account.

people are adults who [censored] up and post about it, and then we all get to laugh and try and ruin their life over it. Let's not mess with a good formula.

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So, if I went out with a girl one time that I met on Myspace and post her link, people should be able to harass her? Obviously you don't think people should harass her, but you know that they would.

On the other hand, Yako wanting the thread moved, I really have no thoughts on that. But, there is zero reason that some "innocent" person should have to be harassed because she didn't (or did) bang some guy.

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She's on myspace regardless if her link is posted in 2+2 or not. Therefore is people want harass her they can and will regardless of any actions 2+2 takes. She is free to remove herself from myspace at anytime. The only question relevant to 2+2 is if everytime a link to myspace is put up are we going to remove entire threads because of something myspace users who also happen to be 2+2 users may do. I think this is ridiculous at its very nature.

Also its not harassment at all, which is a legal term with a set definition. It may be bothering, it may be annoying and it may be childish and offensive but its not harassment and let's not pretend that it is.

Also as I understand it a myspace makes first chooses to put up a profile which is accessible by the public, the user also chooses to make a blog and allow people to post on and contant them. These choices have consequences both good anc bad.

I think we should worry about 2+2 and let myspace decide if any comments posted on their site should be dealt with.

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Well, I guess I can't win this "argument" no matter what. I think after everytime some nerd on 2+2 gets laid, he should be allowed to put out the girl's myspace link, email, and phone #. Then she can get tons of calls and emails and be told she is a whore (or if she doesn't fck him a 'tease'). Why should we (as human beings or as a website) care about somebody else's feelings? In fact, since it isn't legally harassment, 2+2 shouldn't even worry about it.

Seriously man, how could you think it was okay that some dork like Yako who couldn't fck some girl that he traveled 1000 miles to bang, be allowed to post her link out of anger (I know he didn't post the link; just an example). I agree there is a difference between "annoying" and "harrasing", but we can't really decide for each individual person which is which.

Like I said, I don't expect you to agree with me on this, but why should somebody else have to change their life because of our site?

Also, people are less likely to harass her if her link isn't posted on a public message board. Yes, myspace is public, but your sentence makes it seem as if we have no control over harassment.

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well first let's seperate phone number and address from myspace account as I don't see them as the same thing.

If two people agree to use a public site like myspace to meet people they don't know and then allow anyone to post comments on thier profile or attain access to their email (from the profile) I don't think its up to us as moderators to decide that our users should be able to see the link and post on the profile if they choose to. It's her profile and it's myspace's site. You talk about her feelings yet, we have no idea how she feels. Now chances are she wasn't happy, but maybe she would want to see the thread about the date and if she is unhappy with the comments she is free to remove or just restrict posting access. Its not as if she is unable to stop the comments. She can even allow access to only those she invites to her blog. What goes on there, regardless of how tastless it is should be grounds to move threads.

Now the question is should myspace profiles be linked to. Again I can't see one reasonable arguement against doing so. Myspace is a public site where people willing choose to put up a profile with as much or as little information as they choose. In many ways it is like any other website avaiable on the internet and I don't think it should be treated differently.

When this whole putting pics of girls up the initial policy was that if the pics and information was already in the public domain (like myspace) posting it was fine, if it was not in the public domain then it should be removed.

Again since we can only control 2+2 we should only look at what happens on 2+2. In this case we have a poster telling a story of events in his life (fine) and then later linking to a website available to the public as a whole (also fine).

I really don't like the movement I see be taking place where we are going so far out of way to make sure no girl ever gets her feelings hurt that we are pulling the trigger on the slightest thing even though A) the posts are not vulgar, pornographic or otherwise outside the nature of 2+2 posts and B) against the wishes of the majority of our users.

show me a post where someone post a girls number, email, address or private pics and I will say delete and ban. Linking to a myspace account is nowhere near that and since the myspace user has the ability to remedy anything that happens on their profile I don't see it as our job to play knight in shining armor. It's the worst kind of polictical correctness in my opinion.

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Fine, all that aside, you don't think that people posting links to myspace profiles could pose potential problems for 2+2?

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Fine, all that aside, you don't think that people posting links to myspace profiles could pose potential problems for 2+2?

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Im certainly willing to entertain the possibility but for the most part no I don't. Linking to a myspace profile on a message board does in no way implicate the owner's of said message board if all we are talking about is linking the message board and posting things within 2+2 that do not otherwise violate any laws.

For example I could post a link to a myspace profile and say the girl is a fat cow and a whore. now would this be distasteful, immature and an all around [censored] thing to do? absolutely but would it bring in sort of trouble to 2+2. I don't believe so.

Additionally, commenting on the myspace profile from what I understand requires a myspace account. Thus any comments are now coming from myspace users and not 2+2 users (even though as we know they are the same person) it is therefore the duty myspace and/or the user to deal with them as they see fit.

To me this comes down to over stepping our bounds when its not needed. A user is telling a story and linking to public website. This is what is occurring on 2+2 and this is what we should concern ourselves with. Neither of which has ever been grounds for removal of threads.

Anything that happens (and of course it will) off 2+2 may be distastful and offensive but I don't think its our place to say linking to sites which are not offensive (like child porn or something like a virus) is against the rules.

And again the myspace user has the ultimate ability to control what and who posts on their blog and also they can control whether or not their profile is up.

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I don't have a strong opinion yet, but there is one important thing to keep in mind: getting sued costs us (Mason) a lot of money even if we win. If there has been a precedence for such suits (as I have heard there has been) then it's not worth the risk.

In a case where a poster asks us to remove his links to my space, I think the request should be granted immediately. If nobody complains, I suspect this diminishes any risk quite a bit.

Just in case I wasn't clear. I worry that if poster's request is denied and he reports this to the girl in question, she may think this is enough reason to sue.

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I don't have a strong opinion yet, but there is one important thing to keep in mind: getting sued costs us (Mason) a lot of money even if we win. If there has been a precedence for such suits (as I have heard there has been) then it's not worth the risk.

In a case where a poster asks us to remove his links to my space, I think the request should be granted immediately. If nobody complains, I suspect this diminishes any risk quite a bit.

Just in case I wasn't clear. I worry that if poster's request is denied and he reports this to the girl in question, she may think this is enough reason to sue.

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Could we then delete the solo post in question without having to remove the entire thread?