I call this right??

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It's a call. The thing is the short stack isn't THAT short. If you cut his stack in half QQ is probably a fold.



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Er... what? I'm really tired, but i have no idea what you mean if you cut his stack in half then you fold QQ...

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It's a call. The thing is the short stack isn't THAT short. If you cut his stack in half QQ is probably a fold.



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Er... what? I'm really tired, but i have no idea what you mean if you cut his stack in half then you fold QQ...

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If the short stack is short enough, the becomes too risky to go all in with QQ. You could wait for him to bust rather than chance busting.

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AHA!

i thought he was talking about the guy pushing...

And that just made no sense.

Alright, time for bed.

Thanks

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But you could also put yourself in an excellent position to take first place, and first place has as much difference from 2nd as 4th has from 3rd.

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But you could also put yourself in an excellent position to take first place, and first place has as much difference from 2nd as 4th has from 3rd.

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I don't disagree. With AA, it would be a clear call. But with QQ, if the shortie is short enough, say 10 for example, then obviously a fold would be appropriate.

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Unless he's pushing <11%, yes, this is a call.

KJ isn't in this range by the way. (44+, ATo+, A8s+, KQs)

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Unless he's pushing <11%, yes, this is a call.

KJ isn't in this range by the way. (44+, ATo+, A8s+, KQs)

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that's a pretty useful stat. is there a way to make sngpt spit that out quickly or did you just do some trial and error?

[mlagoo]

Easy call. I'd consider folding if the short stack was at 400 or less.

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I knew before calling that the guy probably had at least an ace (if not a king) and that I would probably have a 25% chance of busting out fourth. Thats why i thought after that folding might be a better option, but then I thought that I was crazy. So I wanted to get other perspectives.

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I think even Aces have something like a 18-19% chance of losing to a random hand.

You were right to call this on the bubble. This sets you up very well to try and win if you survive the hand.

perhaps if the short stack is short enough a fold is correct, but depending on who's pushing I might call no matter how short the short stack is (and in some cases because the short stack is so low). This may be wrong, but if you're willing to call with AA no matter what the stacks are, against certain opponents QQ isn't much worse than AA (since they will be pushing any 2 with an extremely short stack in play).

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This may be wrong, but if you're willing to call with AA no matter what the stacks are, against certain opponents QQ isn't much worse than AA (since they will be pushing any 2 with an extremely short stack in play).

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Nah, that's not quite true, because QQ and KK are always possible to be a 30% dog and even an 80% one (rare, but it happens), and of course QQ can be only a 55% fave to AK. Whereas AA is always at least 78% (and that's against the sooted connectors such as 78s)