Series of 3/6 hands from recent session

TheHammer24 · #1 10-12-2005, 01:38 AM

I just moved up to 3/6 and I'm feeling very uncomfortable. I'm being outplayed and outplaying myself, both of which, have lead to me not doing so hot in my first 700 or so hands. A lot of it has been variance, undoubtedly, but overall I just feel uncomfortable. Here are 6 or so hands.

Over my first 700 hands I'm 15/10/2.8 but my WTSD is 29 and my W$ASD is 31. I feel like those are alarming even though there is a super small sample size.

I'm not going to say what I think about the hand because I feel that skews people's advice.

Both opponents in this hand are like 33/7/2 over 80 or so hands

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, BB folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (13.16 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 19.16 BB

Number 2:

LP player is kind of Laggy 30/15/1.5 sb is unknown

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP1 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero folds.

Number 3:

SB is 66/20/1.5

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets

Number 4:

Turn Donker is the same as sb in hand 3

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets, Hero folds

Number 5?:

Villian is 21/7/1.5 over 80 hands

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Hand 6:

Villian is unknown

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Harv72b · #2 10-12-2005, 02:35 AM

I never reply to these 6 in 1 posts, but I'm making an exception just this once. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I just moved up to 3/6 and I'm feeling very uncomfortable. I'm being outplayed and outplaying myself, both of which, have lead to me not doing so hot in my first 700 or so hands.

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I don't think I've ever moved up to a new level without going through the exact same thing for the first few sessions. The fact that you recognize this bodes very well for your eventually overcoming the new limit jitters & winning at 3/6 just like you have on lower limits.

Hand 1

77 in EP is one of those hands that drives me batty. You hate to fold it, it's not really strong enough to raise with (unless the table is tight/your image rocks), and you hate to be isolated with it. Most times I will limp this, too, but if the table is pretty aggressive I'll muck it from EP. If I'm running over the table I'll raise with it.

With MP1 still in the pot, I think you can probably 3-bet the turn; if nothing else, whether or not CO caps it will make the river a lot easier to play (he'd have to pretty LAG/stupid to cap with just AK). As played, I don't think I'd be able to fold the river without more detailed reads on my opponents, either.

Hand 2

Perfectly played. I don't think 1.5 AF with a 30% VPIP is going to bet the turn without something better than A high, and when SB calls ahead of you, he's probably got some kind of a made hand, too. You're technically getting correct odds to draw at your 6-outer, but the risk of being reverse dominated/drawing dead vs. a set or made two pair is enough to make the fold a good one.

Hand 3

3-bet or fold preflop; I hate flat calling with a third person in the pot here. If you can knock MP1 out preflop, you win the button postflop vs. what looks like a really bad player.

I'd check through the river. This opponent is not going to fold anything that beats you to the bet, and there aren't a whole lot of hands you beat that will call.

Hand 4

Standard. I hate being put in these positions, where you know your opponent could be betting something as lame as a pair of fives or a turned OESD, but you can't really call with a player yet to act behind you, a small pot, and the possibility that you're drawing dead.

Hand 5

Villain flopped a set something pretty close to 100% of the time when he caps it. The best you can really hope for is that he flopped the wheel, in which case you're drawing to 7 outs to chop. Against a player like this one, who appears pretty normal, you can probably even check/fold the turn. Definitely don't raise the river, and if you do, you absolutely can't call the 3-bet.

Hand 6

I usually just complete with a medium PP in the SB with the intention of putting in at least one bet somehow on anything but the worst flop evah. I'm not sure if this is the best line to take, though.

Given your raise preflop, the rest of the hand is utterly standard vs. an unknown.

shant · #3 10-12-2005, 03:02 AM

Hand 1: I'd 3-bet the turn.

Hand 3: Is this a good flop raise? Is folding here that bad?

Hand 5: Bet/call river.

#4 10-12-2005, 03:08 AM

Hand 2. I'm not getting anywhere thinking about this flop. I don't know that a raise is good. I really don't know if anything is really better than anything else here. SB seems to have us beat unless he's really lose preflop and has an OESD. But a 9 or a pair with an ace or king kicker seems more likely. I could go on, but I'm just unsure about this...anyone have this figured out?

TheHammer24 · #5 10-12-2005, 12:41 PM

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I never reply to these 6 in 1 posts, but I'm making an exception just this once. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Thanks for the exception.

I generally jot down hands that I want to review after my session is over, and I happened to write like six in a row last nigth, so I just went ahead and did them all in one thread because I didn't want to flood the board. I appreciate your advice.

I agree with all that you said. I was happy to know that some of the hands posted I played correctly and most of the ones you corrected i.e. the AJo in the BB I knew what would have been the better play as soon as I made the wrong one.

Would you believe in the 55 hand Villian had J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the rivered BD Flush? This is the point where I became paranoid that 3/6 was a shark tank full of pros that try to outplay everyone.

TheHammer24 · #6 10-12-2005, 12:42 PM

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Hand 2. I'm not getting anywhere thinking about this flop. I don't know that a raise is good. I really don't know if anything is really better than anything else here. SB seems to have us beat unless he's really lose preflop and has an OESD. But a 9 or a pair with an ace or king kicker seems more likely. I could go on, but I'm just unsure about this...anyone have this figured out?

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I really like my flop raise here because it protects my hand, forcing to make the players behind me face two cold, and may earn me a free card if SB checks the turn. AK was to strong to fold here, and calling just seemed wrong.

brettbrettr · #7 10-12-2005, 12:57 PM

Hand 1 I'd three bet the turn in a flash. I also don't understand your flop play. I'd lead it and hope to get raised so I can 3-bet.

Hand 2 seems fine

Hand 3 your river bets sucks.

Hand 4 is read dependant. I guess he had a pair on hand 3.

5 looks fine.

I might just c/f the turn in hand 6. Read dep.

TheHammer24 · #8 10-12-2005, 01:00 PM

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Hand 4 is read dependant. I guess he had a pair on hand 3.

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No he didn't. Should this lead me to call the turn?

Harv72b · #9 10-12-2005, 01:03 PM

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Would you believe in the 55 hand Villian had J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the rivered BD Flush? This is the point where I became paranoid that 3/6 was a shark tank full of pros that try to outplay everyone.

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Wow. Unless you'd been running just terribly in this session (and therefore looking like a LAG to anyone not checking your hole cards when you showed down a loser), I would never expect a 21/7/1.5 to play JTs that way. And if he did, I would seriously think about leaving that table, because my image obviously sucks & other players are going to start taking shots at me, too.

There are quite a few very good multitablers that play on 3/6, but honestly this is true at any limit 2/4 & above. It takes some getting used to, especially the increased aggression, but 3/6 will eventually become a pretty easy limit to beat as you adjust to it.

brettbrettr · #10 10-12-2005, 01:05 PM

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Hand 4 is read dependant. I guess he had a pair on hand 3.

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No he didn't. Should this lead me to call the turn?

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Prob not. He now knows you'll call down with ace high and hardly anyone ever represents a 5 anymore. Cept Harv, of course.