anyone see this? DN lays down KK preflop..

[MrBrightside]

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...amp;ucat=&

[Kyle Stark]

Now if this was a televised hand where the other guy had AA everybody in all the forums would be saying how easy of a laydown that would be [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[britspin]

Or if it was Phil Hellmuth, everyone would be saying what a total idiot, loser, fillmaff, etc.

[DonkeyChip]

Wow. As soon as he said; "There is no way you can beat this hand. It's impossible." my chips would have instantly been in the pot*. Doesn't this really mean; "I don't have Aces."?

* - Yea, they would probably have already been in the pot because I have KK but I'm just sayin'.

[Kyle Stark]

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Wow. As soon as he said; "There is no way you can beat this hand. It's impossible." my chips would have instantly been in the pot*. Doesn't this really mean; "I don't have Aces."?

* - Yea, they would probably have already been in the pot because I have KK but I'm just sayin'.

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No offense, I know we've all read the caro weak means strong and strong means weak....but I'm thinking negreanu gets pretty good reads.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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No offense, I know we've all read the caro weak means strong and strong means weak....but I'm thinking negreanu gets pretty good reads.


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In this particular situation, it would've helped, since his read happened to be incorrect. "I folded my KK face up and my opponent, who also promised he'd show me turned over... QQ!"

He also mentions that the button is a "novice player" - generally speaking, it's only the more experienced players who will tell you the truth about their hand in the hopes that you'll think they're lying and do what they want you to do (Scotty Nguyen won the WSOP doing just that).

I don't know how much was in the pot (I didnt see the QQ's stack size listed anywhere), but you have to be pretty damn sure he can have nothing but aces to lay that down. If there is any possibility at all that he has just as low as QQ, your KK is a coinflip against his range. Obviously it gets much better if there's a shot that he has AK or JJ as well.

But the upside is that against someone with a range of {AA-QQ} in that spot, if you fold your KK face up, 6/13ths of the time you look like a genius.

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He also mentions that the button is a "novice player" - generally speaking, it's only the more experienced players who will tell you the truth about their hand in the hopes that you'll think they're lying and do what they want you to do (Scotty Nguyen won the WSOP doing just that)

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What is a novice player to Daniel Negreanu? I certainly would be, since Ive never played a big tourney. I did the "reverse" on my first live tourney. I stared the guy down when I had a big hand to act like I was weak. You have to play the player not generalities.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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What is a novice player to Daniel Negreanu? I certainly would be, since Ive never played a big tourney. I did the "reverse" on my first live tourney. I stared the guy down when I had a big hand to act like I was weak. You have to play the player not generalities.

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I would think that he has some conception of what a "novice" is in absolute terms; it'd be pretty silly if he wrote articles on the web for a large and varied audience while defining "novice" as "anyone who is worse than Daniel Negreanu."

And when you don't know anything about the player specifically, you can't play the player by definition - you have to play generalities. It is much more likely that when a novice player says "you'd better fold, my hand is unbeatable", he is weak than that he is strong.

If I knew basically nothing about someone, I'd assume that the usual "weak means strong, strong means weak" applies to him until I'm shown otherwise.

[nyc999]

That so called "novice" has one hell of a story to tell his friends.

when DN said novice he knew what he was talking about. Previously the guy made some bad calls and chased down middle pair on flush board to make runner runner quads, etc.