Do you ever wish you were innocent??

[sthief09]

seems like the same question. there's certain things I'm glad I know.

but craps and games of chance come down to one thing: in the shortrun, anything CAN happen. if I play craps for an hour and my expectation is -$5, then so be it. luck DOES exist in the shortrun, so as long as you're not playing for thousands of hours over the span of a lifetime, you can get lucky or unlucky.

most people know that they can't beat the house. how else would a casino make money? why else would a casino comp their best players? people pay to have a good time. playing craps is a good time.

[OrangeHeat]

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Just play pass line bets taking free odds and whoop it up with the rest of the tabke knowing the house edge on your play is only 6/10 of a percent.

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I do play the -EV games sometimes and I do have fun - however I always know that that edge is 6/10 or whatever it is.

My point is I can't see winning or losing at this game as luck - I see it as math plain and simple. I used to enjoy it MORE when I could think I was lucky or unlucky. You know freaking out becuase the shooter changed the way he wass rolling, calling off bets because the dice flew off the table, superstitious stuff - make any sense?

Orange

[daryn]

makes perfect sense.

not only is playing craps fun, but being supersitious is fun also!

[BottlesOf]

Why do you think I chose the username 'Homer'?

Because "The Illiad" is your favorite epic poem?

[pzhon]

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I used to enjoy it MORE when I could think I was lucky or unlucky. You know freaking out becuase the shooter changed the way he wass rolling, calling off bets because the dice flew off the table, superstitious stuff ...

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It's fun to say all sorts of nonsense, but don't believe it.
It's bad luck to be superstitious.

[Lawrence Ng]

Many people gamble for different reasons. I still play craps and baccarat (where I can peel cards). Why do I play even though I know it's -EV. The reason is that it provides me with entertainment value. I still like the action, but I am in good control and will not blow away my house and farm on the table. I usually play much smaller stakes compared to my poker games.

I love the action of craps and I love peeling the cards off baccarat. Win or lose I want to have fun and these are the two games I have fun at in the house. It's no different than me spending money on new hockey gear, or show tickets, or going on a vacation. As long as I have fun it's all that matters.

[MicroBob]

interesting thread...i stopped reading the responses around page 3 when stumbling on this quote...

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And I mean't that level of intelligence has about zero correlation to happiness.

If you've taken to blaming your depression on intelligence you really need to give your head a shake, or a shrink...

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indeed...i agree.
on these forums i've been accused of being fairly serious sometimes. but that's more because i truly enjoy analyzing various theories etc etc.

i have done my fair share of contemplation....probably on a daily basis..and i also am an atheist/agnostic/whatever.

but overall....i consider myself to be a happy person....and typically i am king of the sillies (self-appointed) when out and about....and this is BEFORE i have even started drinking (which i really don't do that much of).

i also happen to think i'm a reasonably intelligent dude (who doesn't??).

an awareness that we are all worm-food in a few decades or whatever other kind of 'life is meaningless' contemplation you want to put yourself through does not necessarily have to lead to depression.

personally, i find the knowledge to be freeing and think that a deeper understading can (and maybe should) actually lead to greater enjoyment out of life....not less.

that has been my overall experience anyway.

now back to your regularly scheduled depression.

[J.A.Sucker]

This is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. I bet you're so smart that you just can't bear the thought of life, since you're aware of all this "bad stuff" in the world. Please!

Some of the most intelligent people I know (who are likely some of the smartest people in the world) are about as happy as it gets. They enjoy thinking about how things work, and approach every problem (great or small) with a child's passion and curiousity; that is why they're the real problem-solvers. I'm sorry you are soooo smart that you can't even go out with your buddies and enjoy life for what it is.

FWIW, I'm plenty aware of the world around me and ponder many things on a daily basis, but I'm about the happiest guy you'll ever meet. I'm really "running good" when all things are considered; I have my health, good friends, a companion that understands me, a job that stimulates me, and money is decent. Not too bad, if you ask me, and this is coming from a guy who has recently lost 2/3 of his bankroll playing poker.

Oh yeah, I enjoy playing -EV games because they are fun, as long as you keep your losses to what is reasonable for you. The last thing this world needs is more nits, and I'm afraid that there are several posters on this site who would qualify as such.

This is just my opinion, but I'm Just Another Sucker.

[DeezNuts]

I have a lot of friends that are blissfully ignorant of the deeper issues in life. I constantly envy them for their ability to find happiness just by having a great girlfriend/wife, having career goals, friends, etc. These things(or mostly anything) have never made me happy for a sustained period(although some do keep me content on a day-to-day basis). It's the whole blissfully ignorant idiot vs. tortured genius(not calling myself a genius) debate. I realize that they aren't mutually exclusive, but for certain personalities they just may be.

People that don't understand what you are getting at just don't have the same thoughts, but those of us that have similar thoughts understand EXACTLY where your post is coming from.

It's not that smart people are the only ones that think about the whole life-is-meaningless point, it's just that people with intellectual limitations cannot grasp some of the concepts that makes the argument so depressing at times.

And I love playing craps just for the fact that I can be as superstitious as I want.

DN

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

I host a dealer's choice game at my house once or twice a month. It has a $20 buy-in, which is nothing but rounding error when you play 4 tables of 2/4 and 3/6. At my home game I chase gutshots, play 50% of flops in Omaha-8 and Holdem, and never fail to at least see fourth street in stud. I'm better than most of the other players (a few of whom are truly awful), so I never really lose much, but it feels really good to be "bad" sometimes. I don't make a big deal out of my play, and the guys wanted to take a crack at a "high stakes" game once and so we played 2/4 holdem (hey, to college profs, this is high stakes). I played my A game that time, and nobody has expressed an interest to play those stakes again. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]