weird re-raise hand (play along)

TheWorstPlayer · #1 06-25-2005, 05:54 PM

Villain is 45/18 LAG. Min-raises a lot of trash.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($64.05)
CO ($128.98)
Button ($18.62)
SB ($91.55)
Hero ($59.1)
UTG ($37.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP raises to $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.5, MP calls $4, CO folds, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($16.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $14

Who hates it already? What's my plan for the hand?

soah · #2 06-25-2005, 05:58 PM

Having come that far, I'm either doubling up or going broke.

Did you think you had good steal equity preflop? Otherwise i don't like it...

TheWorstPlayer · #3 06-25-2005, 06:01 PM

So if he raises, you're calling? What if the other guy calls the raise? And yes, I thought I'd take it down about 70% of the time preflop.

soah · #4 06-25-2005, 06:05 PM

He's LAG, you have 1/3 of your stack in the pot, and you have TPTK...? I'm assuming you're ahead of the LAG often enough to shove it in. Unless he's not so LAG.

The other guy can't raise.

amoeba · #5 06-25-2005, 10:30 PM

if he raises, I like push.

it'll look to a bad lag like you have AK trying to play back at him.

TheWorstPlayer · #6 06-25-2005, 10:33 PM

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if he raises, I like push.

it'll look to a bad lag like you have AK trying to play back at him.

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So you think he's going to call me with a worse hand? What hand range do you put him on?

amoeba · #7 06-25-2005, 10:35 PM

flush draw, 78, 88, 77, 76, 9 with worst kicker, maybe 2 overs.

wtfsvi · #8 06-26-2005, 08:42 AM

I think reraise preflop is fine. A bit on the small side though. I'd probably make it a dollar more.

I don't really get the lines people are advocating. He will certainly bet if we check to him, so we should bet to avoid being blown off the hand? If we bet, we've commited us to the pot, so I can't see how this has any benefit when we are behind (except to maybe make him fold TT), and if he will always bet when checked to, it has to be obvious that checking is superior when we're ahead.

In not-mixing-it-up-mode I'm checking that turn against a LAG everytime, weather I have KK or 72o (only time i'd consider betting would be with a draw). Question is to decide what do do when action gets back to me. That's read dependent, but I think I'm calling most of the time (well, I'm pushing in the few dollars I'd have left after the call that is).

Will he make a real raise preflop if he has AK/AA-JJ or are all his preflop raises the minimum?

TheWorstPlayer · #9 06-26-2005, 04:58 PM

This is a very good post, I think, thanks. I thought at the time that he would have made a real raise with a real hand and that he was mostly min-raising garbage. When he called my re-raise, of course it had to occur to me that he might have a real hand, but he also could call that re-raise with any two really. Also, if he had a monster, I thought he was the type to push preflop instead of flat call. But I was pretty uncertain. In any case, I checked the turn for the reasons that you said. Now what?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($64.05)
CO ($128.98)
Button ($18.62)
SB ($91.55)
Hero ($59.1)
UTG ($37.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP raises to $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.5, MP calls $4, CO folds, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($16.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $14, MP calls $14, Button folds.

Turn: ($44.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($44.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero...?

soah · #10 06-26-2005, 07:33 PM

The new and more aggro me bets most (or all?) of my chips on the river because it gives my opponent a chance to make a mistake as long as he doesn't have a monster. I don't know if he'll fold better hands, I don't know if he'll call with worse hands, but I'm pretty damn sure he's not putting me on A9 so I know he has to make a mistake with some certain range of hands, even if I don't know what it is. If I check and he bets, then I really have no fuxoring clue what to do, because he's probably going to take a stab at the pot with any sort of busted hand after I check twice, but I'd also expect him to bet with many hands better than mine.