Illegal Immigrants

First politics post, here it goes. I have no problems with immigrants, but icant help but feel angry at illegal ones. Obviously there may be complications with immigrating legally, but i feel like the term illegal doesnt mean anything anymore. I want America to be the country to be in, but i want everyone here to be citizens, not moochers. (was that racist?) [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Are there programs that help out illegal immigrants? And doesnt this just make the problem worse? I am not really educated on the subject, so feel free to correct me. Just looking for some answers.

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please dont use this post as an excuse to make a degrading remarks. I guess theres been some sort of problem with that lately

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[tylerdurden]

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First politics post, here it goes. I have no problems with immigrants, but icant help but feel angry at illegal ones. Obviously there may be complications with immigrating legally, but i feel like the term illegal doesnt mean anything anymore. I want America to be the country to be in, but i want everyone here to be citizens, not moochers.

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Why is illegal immigration bad? Just because some authority figure said so? If you have a problem with moochers, that's one thing, but I don't see any evidence that an illegal immigrant is necessarily a moocher.

What about citizen moochers?

It seems like it's just the term "illegal" that's bothering you, not the particulars of the situation.

[Felix_Nietsche]

but I don't see any evidence that an illegal immigrant is necessarily a moocher.
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Jeez.....you can't see any evidence when you keep your eyes closed.

Just take a trip to your local county hospital. They are required to provide care for anyone who comes in regardless of their income (at least in Texas). You will see lots of minimum wage workers racking up 4-figured bills that the patients have no intention of ever paying.

http://www.vdare.com/misc/levin_illegals_in_er.htm
http://www.alipac.us/article158.html
http://www.falange.us/aliens-1.htm

It use to be that illegals just worked hard and were self-sufficient. Now they have dicovered they can milk the USA for "free" health care and other perks. Some cities even allow illegals to vote in LOCAL elections.... Having been a victim of a hit-and-run accident by illegal immigrants, I have little patience with them. My brother-in-law was an illegal immigrant (Brazil). He obtained his citizenship thru his first wife. He became a democrat because he adored Ronald Reagan for giving amnesty to illegal aliens in the 1980s (this is not a mistype [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). Later he found out Reagan was a Republican. Now he is a Fox News watching republican who thinks Bill O'Reilly is 'god'. When he goes back to Brazil he says he spends half his time arguing with people how Bush and the republicans are great and democrats suck.

I wish the USA would build a "Berlin Wall" from California to Texas. It would cost several billion dollars but the USA all ready spends billions of dollars on schools, medical care, and crime from illegals. When illegals are caught they are giving a summons which are ignored 99% of the time. When they are caught again they are flown back at the expense of the tax payers. A good wall will save a lot of money in flights alone.

[Wes ManTooth]

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I wish the USA would build a "Berlin Wall" from California to Texas. It would cost several billion dollars but the USA all ready spends billions of dollars on schools, medical care, and crime from illegals. When illegals are caught they are giving a summons which are ignored 99% of the time. When they are caught again they are flown back at the expense of the tax payers. A good wall will save a lot of money in flights alone.

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A "berlin wall" would destroy trade and dipomatic relations between the US and Mexico.

[Felix_Nietsche]

A "berlin wall" would destroy trade and dipomatic relations between the US and Mexico.
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LOL.........I could say if Zimbabwe imposed economic sanctions on the USA, the USA economy would collapse. As for destroying trade that is VERY silly. Mexico is VERY dependent on the USA for trade. They need the USA more than we need them.

As for diplomatic relations you are correct. Mexico would be ticked. But the USA is a sovereign nation. And as a sovereign nation we are free to build on our OWN land without Mexico's permission. Mexico encourages illegal immigration to the USA. If anyone has justification to be angry, it is the USA. Mexico has been a poor neighbor. As a wise man once said, 'Good fences make for good neighbors'.

[tylerdurden]

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but I don't see any evidence that an illegal immigrant is necessarily a moocher.
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Jeez.....you can't see any evidence when you keep your eyes closed.

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I didn't say NONE of them are moochers.

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Just take a trip to your local county hospital. They are required to provide care for anyone who comes in regardless of their income (at least in Texas).

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This is pretty standard just about anywhere. They're required to provide stabilization, not really full end-to-end care. Regular citizens get the same entitlement. Are they not moochers?

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You will see lots of minimum wage workers racking up 4-figured bills that the patients have no intention of ever paying.

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Again, is this restricted only to illegals? And does every illegal do this?

[Felix_Nietsche]

Again, is this restricted only to illegals? And does every illegal do this?
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Every?.....No.
Not more than 99% of illegals abuse the American health system. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[slamdunkpro]

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A good wall will save a lot of money in flights alone.

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200 yards of tightly sown land mines would be better [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I wrote this as a joke, but the more I thought about it…..

It must be in the realm of technology do develop a “bouncing betty” type non-lethal land mine cheaply that would dispense that nasty permanent dye that they use in robbery packs in banks (yes, including the pepper spray). It dyes skin for several days, so the illegals would be easy to spot.

[xadrez]

Your anger is misdirected. Illegal immigrants come here because American business owners willingly hire them.