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Old 12-22-2005, 09:18 PM
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Button 17/12/2.6 Opens, I call with red JT

Flop Q94 with 2 spades. I check-call.

Turn offsuit 3. I check-raise, he calls

River Offsuit T I bet with intention of folding to a raise
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:25 PM
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I was going to bet the river if I missed
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:33 PM
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You are sb or bb? It doesn't matter much but I am curious.

I think the hand is fine, very villain dependent. I play this the same way sometimes, particularly against opponents who like to fold. I agree with your river plan, you can safely fold to a raise.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:41 PM
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I was BB sorry
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:56 PM
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I prefer playing it faster on the flop.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:16 AM
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I usually do that also, so just the standard line here? Bet until we get more resistance and then usually shut down if we miss? I think I have been raised so often on the turn in this spot lately that I tried to do something different. Back to the basics.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:48 AM
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If the only information you have is that your opponent is a good thinking player, I think just about any line here is fine as long as it's not the only line you'd take.

If you had more specific information on your opponent, then that should be used to alter the percentage of times you take each line.
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Old 12-23-2005, 01:12 AM
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Agreed w/ the fast play on the flop. Gives other hands an easier opportunity to get away. Seems like my opponents get stubborn when i raise on the turn.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:40 AM
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Default Re: Hand Vs Good Player

I like it, a lot, though there may be some merit to check-calling the river if you think he'll bet a bust or a 9 on the river, which I think is quite possible, though I don't really know what the aggression numbers really mean.
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Old 12-23-2005, 08:59 AM
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If the only information you have is that your opponent is a good thinking player, I think just about any line here is fine as long as it's not the only line you'd take.

If you had more specific information on your opponent, then that should be used to alter the percentage of times you take each line.

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I agree with this.
Here is what I'm really interested in. Assuming we checkraise the turn and miss on the river, does everyone think it is worth it to follow through with a bluff on the river? To clarify, I mean does everyone bet the river when we don't make a straight or a pair?
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