To weak with JJ as an overpair?

starvs · #1 12-05-2005, 09:31 PM

Button is 53/16 after 50 hands. I feel like this is weak, but I've been getting burned with TPTK and weak overpairs latley. It 3 betting or calling then leading the turn a better idea?

Empire Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($114.72)
Button ($43.05)
SB ($5.33)
Hero ($47.58)
UTG ($46.09)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $1.5, Button calls $1.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($4.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $13.50

youngin20 · #2 12-05-2005, 09:59 PM

I think this is an OK fold, I dont really see much rasing with top pair....And the board is fairly co-ordinated, so most cards coming on the turn would be scary as well. you might see a set here, or 78s....maybe AT? I think best case he has JT, and thinks you are on a whiffed AK/AQ, or maybe he has AT. but more often than not I think you are beat.

Maulik · #3 12-05-2005, 10:03 PM

I like it... another example of folding the best hand being okay..

4_2_it · #4 12-05-2005, 10:05 PM

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I like it... another example of showing hatred of money

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FYP

OP - Call his bet, and plan to check call this down. You have a hand that can stand a showdown if the board doesn't get any scarier.

scrapperdog · #5 12-06-2005, 12:53 AM

Yes too weak. This villian is not exactly a rock.

Reef · #6 12-06-2005, 12:57 AM

raise to $2.50 preflop

DO NOT FOLD THE FLOP TO THAT MINRAISE!! I'd lean towards 3 betting vs. this kind of laggy opponent.

starvs · #7 12-06-2005, 08:16 AM

I posted the hand as if I folded to get feedback on that option, but here is what I really did.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($114.72)
Button ($43.05)
SB ($5.33)
Hero ($47.58)
UTG ($46.09)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $1.5, Button calls $1.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($4.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero raises to $14, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($32.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button calls $27.05 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $59.55

Still not sure what the best plan is. I don't think I'm beating much that is calling three bet then pushing the turn? AT is the only possible hand I can beat that does this maybe, and possibly QT?

thanks
-starvs, keep in mind i'm really bad

Maulik · #8 12-06-2005, 09:57 AM

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I like it... another example of folding the best hand being okay..

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omg i'm a donk i didn't see the 53%vpip

Maulik · #9 12-06-2005, 09:58 AM

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I like it... another example of showing hatred of money

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FYP

OP - Call his bet, and plan to check call this down. You have a hand that can stand a showdown if the board doesn't get any scarier.

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omg i'm a donk i didn't see the 53%vpip

pokernose · #10 12-06-2005, 10:14 AM

Your turn play was inconsistent with your flop play here. Although the king is a scare card, it might be a scare card for your opponent as well. I would bet the turn and fold to a raise. By checking the turn you gave your opponent an opportunity to bluff and take the pot away from you. If your opponent calls your turn bet, a queen may still be a good card for you.