No idea at 50NL 6max (2 hands)

starvs · #1 11-14-2005, 11:27 PM

Hand One
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($48.70)
BB ($10)
UTG ($64.85)
MP ($49)
CO ($36.60)
Button ($59.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.5, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($8.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $5, Hero raises to $15, MP calls $15, CO calls $10.

Turn: ($53.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $20, CO calls $19.10 (All-In), Hero calls $31.20 (All-In), MP calls $11.20.

River: ($135) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $135

MP had stats of 45/19/1.5 No other read than that (90 hands)
CO was 29/11/2 over 30 hands, but my read was he was not that good, and made somewhat lose calls. Not a very solid read though.

I probably should of check raised more on the flop. Once the flush hits on the turn I'm not feeling so great about my hand. I didn't really know what to do so I checked. Once They both did their betting I was getting the odds to fill up, so I just pushed. But I was only getting the odds to fill up assuming no one had a higher set or two pair, which was probably a real bad assumption. I just don't know what to do in a spot like this where people could have just the naked Ac, and I'm getting pretty decent odds.

Hand Two

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Hero ($58.15)
BB ($25.05)
UTG ($29.70)
MP ($25.15)
CO ($72.85)
Button ($187.21)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50, CO folds, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls $5, Button raises to $10, Hero raises to $20, BB folds, Button raises to $40, Hero calls $36.15 (All-In), Button calls $16.15.

River: ($123.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $123.80

Button was 50/0/4 (only 24 hands)

Once he min raises the turn I really was lost. I don't think I can fold this hand, especially to someone who appears to be so loose (albiet a small sample size). But I seem to get in these situations and very rarely see a worse hand. Is this standard and I'm just running bad?

(on hand two I ment to make it 25, not 20, but I still don't think that is enough)

-Thanks, starvs

#2 11-14-2005, 11:36 PM

As I am sure everyone else will tell you, lead the flop in hand 1, hope you get reraised and stick the rest in. Since you went for a check raise, you have to make it larger, $20-$25 and get the rest in on the turn.

stu-unger · #3 11-15-2005, 12:21 AM

i always lead flop in hand 1 and hope to get my stack in most of the time on that nasty board...

hand 2 comes down to your read, the turn just sucks. either call his raise or make a real raise...

EMcWilliams · #4 11-15-2005, 12:49 AM

If you opt to check raise here, which is not such a bad idea, as I dont see a hand that PFR and wont bet out, make it a real check raise. 20-25, but I still lead there.

Hand 2, tought break, but raise more to see where you are and go with your read there. A9 of hearts comes to mind in that situation, as does 9x of hearts, so I think you are good on the turn and should hammer the pot hard.

MisterNatural · #5 11-15-2005, 12:50 AM

Lemme see if i'm thinking of hand one correctly. So on the turn you're getting like 4.5 to 1 to make the call. But you push making it more like 3 to 1. If your 10 outs are all clean you want the pot to lay you like 5 to 1 since you're on the turn. But obviously your outs aren't going to be clean here. So it seems like 1) you're not getting the right odds on the turn, and 2) your push on the turn makes it worse. Is this right?