Laggiest Game Ever

[JosephAnthony]

First time at a new casino tonight, i sit down at 1/2 HE table. It is eight-handed, i sit to left of my friend, we are both TAGs. What proceeds is the loosest game i have ever seen.
(Warning not Exaggerating) average size of pot preflop is 26 or 27 small bets. About 80 percent of the hands i dont particpate in, everyone else is in for the cap. Same story on successive streets, i would say it averaged one folder per street, and about 2/3 of the streets after the flop were capped.
I ran cold, but im not going to tell you that they were "too bad to beat". This game was amazing. Everyone was drunken donk-bettin, waiving their money away, and being friendly. 7 donators playing poker like it was slots. My question, should i be tight because i know everything will be capped?
Shoujld i follow SSHE recommendations to the letter and go with the raises? Should i loosen up even more?
Any advice?

[PseudoPserious]

I'd just sit there and wait for AA, KK, QQ, and AKs. I think JJ-99 are also playable if you're sure that the average pot will be around 20 big bets or so (in addition to your contributions), and any lower pair if the pot is up around 25 big bets.

PP

Wouldn't you want to also play suited connectors, they play well mutliway and can take down a big pot and are easy to ditch if the flop misses?
Q.

[PseudoPserious]

I wouldn't, if I had to pay 4 small bets with them preflop. That hurts your implied odds.

PP

[silkyslim]

just join them. cap everything pf. you play better postflop anyway. have fun its 1/2 live for christs sake

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I wouldn't, if I had to pay 4 small bets with them preflop. That hurts your implied odds.

PP

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Don't the implied odds go up since it stays multiway and the bigger bets on the later streets are getting capped as well? My home games are like this and big pairs never hold up.

[pzhon]

There is a common misconception that you should play tightly against loose players. This is wrong, as is mentioned in SSHE.

You could profit in such a game by playing tightly, but that would be far from optimal. You should play more tightly than your opponents, but you should be much looser than in a normal game. The reason is that the players who are capping with 92o are contributing so much dead money that they convert many normally unprofitable hands into profitable hands.

The value of suitedness goes up. The value of connectedness goes up. You do not need implied odds to play low pocket pairs and suited connectors and Axs, as they have enough value without implied odds. You should pitch A7o.

[PseudoPserious]

Okay. About big pairs not holding up -- you're right, most times they don't, against lots of players. But sometimes they do, and they will more than their fair share.

About the little pairs -- yes, if your expected profit when you hit a set and it holds up is 20ish big bets or more, then you should play little pairs for any amount pre-flop.

I disagree with playing little suited connectors. Here's my reasoning, which may or may not be correct. You'll flop a draw or made hand about 1 out of 9 times. Your draw will come through about 1/3 of the time you flop a draw. You'll win if you hit your draw about 80% of the time. So, you pay 8*2BB + (2/3)*8BB + (1/3)*12BB = 25ish BB to win XBB 80% of the time. This means it's a break-even play if your expected profit is around 32BB or so. Can you really count on the pot always being that big? The assumptions are a little pessimistic, but I think they're reasonable. Of course, I could be totally wrong.

For what it's worth, HPFAP talks about extremely loose games somewhere around page 214 or so. I think their argument is believable.

PP

[winky51]

Actually I think you flop an OE draw or flush draw 1:5.25
http://www.texasholdempoker-stats.com/thp_flop.html

This does not include 1:28 that you flop 2 pair or better or an inside straight draw.

[winky51]

19.5% about to hit 2 pair or better or an OE/flush draw.

This does not count guts. Which at this point you have odds to call to the river.

But this is all good is most of the players stick around for the river If it cuts out after the flop then I believe it would be wrong.

I know in TH4AP it states in these games where the pot is capped every street you wait for premium only, AA-QQ, AKs, AQs. But I think it also implies few players seeing the flop not the whole table.