With Perfect Play, how much can 5/10 SH at Party be beaten?

[Grisgra]

I'm a 2BB/100 player over ~65k hands. And I suck. Sometimes I miss value bets, sometimes I call down when I KNOW I'm beaten, I get into LAGgy raising wars when I'm on a draw where in retrospect it's obvious the other guy has top pair and ain't letting go . . . not often, but often enough to lose $$.

Hell, I'd say that at least once, if not twice, every 100 hands there's a moment when I'm slapping myself in the forehead for being a chip-spewing doofus.

So I figure I'm costing myself at least 2BB/100 by imperfect play. And let's face it, I'm probably making mistakes that I don't even know about. So there's probably another BB/100 in there.

Meaning I've come to the conclusion that with good table selection (avoid the aggressives, hunt down the passive fishies), PT data-mining, and perfect play, one should be able to beat the 5/10 tables for 4-5BB/100.

Either that, or

1) My mistakes aren't as costly as I think (unlikely -- sometimes I stumble into $$ but not as often as I lose $$ because of them)
2) I've been running well this 65k hands, and have only made 2BB/100 because of that. Meaning at this point I'm dooooooomed. (I hope, unlikely.)

What do y'all think? (And please, just quoting higher authority saying that such a win rate Is Impossible isn't going to cut it!)

It sounds ridiculous, I know, 4-5BB/100, but I can't ignore the fact that I'm 2BB/100 right now over a very long stretch and I'm hardly a super-strong player.

[Jurollo]

I am at around 2BB/100 and make the same mistakes you do, hopefully with some more table time those mistakes will become fewer in number.
~Justin

[naphand]

The answer is highly dependent on how many tables you play. Ulysses has proposed that 3BB/100 4-tabling is the max. Playing two tables and with good reads then I think 3-4 is possible. You need to define how many tables people are playing.

[joker122]

The play at 5/10 6m is just atrocious. If someone like schneids or el diablo can make close to 3BB/100 at 10/20, which, IMO, is much more difficult, than I don't see why they couldn't beat 5/10 for ~4BB/100

[Scotch78]

Do you know how he arrived at that number, or remember the title of the thread so I can search it out?

Scott

[naphand]

No. Probably in the archives now. He may even have been talking about $10/20, my brain is fried right now.

[Tosh]

I'm sure if you do some serious data mining, you can get info to get you upto 4BB.

[Gazza]

I make all the same mistakes as you Grisgra and I have a win rate at 10-20 (mainly) of 4.5BB/100 over 55K hands.
The sky is the limit for the perfect player!

Gazza

[Jeff W]

This might be what you're looking for.

[Grisgra]

Excellent point . . . damn, I thought I was covering all the bases, too.

Thinking one or two tables (I don't think that two is going to be so much different from one). I'm generally playing two, and have little problem keeping up (though there might be 0.5BB/100 somewhere in there). Three and things start to break down, but I can't get all the screens side-by-side on my crappy laptop.