Re: Welcome To The Politics Forum

[zipo]

>>Your views are dangerous and quite simply un-American.

Feel free to reject this characterization any way you see appropriate. <<

Your glaring inabllity to recognize obvious satire is staggering. I'm not calling you an idiot mind you - however it would be accurate to characterize your thinking as excessively concrete.

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In so many words, you gotta stop posting.

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Cyrus,

I'll consider it if you consider it.

[Cyrus]

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Your glaring inabllity to recognize obvious satire is staggering.

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What part of the satire did I miss? The part where you claim, in another thread, to have reported Arnfinn Madsen to the authorities?

Nice try at back pedalling. Watch it so you don't hurt yourself.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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>>you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind; including without limitation any transmissions constituting or encouraging conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, national or international laws. <<

Thanks mmmmm.

As you know, many posters on ot-politics are posting material supporting, encouraging, and expressing sympathy for islamic and palestinian terrorism.

I will be happy to provide you with my research on relevant legislation in the US (e.g. Sedition Act, Patriot Act) and the EU (e.g. pending legislation criminalizing expressions of support and sympathy for terrorism).

Together, I am sure we can adequately police and sanitize these threads of any objectionable content.

And let me be among the first to thank you and congratulate you for your efforts in this regard.

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So you want help from the moderator to keep your believe that the War on Terror is a black/white-issue. Either you support it and then you stand by President Bush in everything or you oppose it and then you disagree with him on everything.

FYI, I quoted my post here on a café in a discussion about freedom of speech and that it might have been illegal to express it by a US citizen according to your interpretation of the Patriot Act. From a mixed crowd the reactions were mainly this: "I too think the attack is legitimate" (which was a derailment of the subject) and "How can a country see itself as a democracy if individuals are not allowed to express that the government has ended up on the morally wrong side of a conflict and that they support the other side?"

I can add for myself, if there had been a Patriot Act interpreted as you see it during slavery, probably slavery would never have been abolished since everyone expressing that it should be abolished would be imprisoned (enemy of the white state seeing that blacks have value). Give it a thought, your government supports abuses conducted by other countries, it is a reason to speak up, not to defend it.

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>>Your views are dangerous and quite simply un-American.

Feel free to reject this characterization any way you see appropriate. <<

Your glaring inabllity to recognize obvious satire is staggering. I'm not calling you an idiot mind you - however it would be accurate to characterize your thinking as excessively concrete.

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It's posts like this that make everyone hate Americans. Can't say I blame them either.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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>>Your views are dangerous and quite simply un-American.

Feel free to reject this characterization any way you see appropriate. <<

Your glaring inabllity to recognize obvious satire is staggering. I'm not calling you an idiot mind you - however it would be accurate to characterize your thinking as excessively concrete.

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It's posts like this that make everyone hate Americans. Can't say I blame them either.

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It is the density of American politicians like him that thinks that America can get its way around the world using force and fear that makes America that unpopular. It does not work though, American influence in the hearts and minds of global citizens detoriate and thus American influence naturally detoriates too. The military does not have the capacity to counter this loss of influence since it is so huge.

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>>Your views are dangerous and quite simply un-American.

Feel free to reject this characterization any way you see appropriate. <<

Your glaring inabllity to recognize obvious satire is staggering. I'm not calling you an idiot mind you - however it would be accurate to characterize your thinking as excessively concrete.

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It's posts like this that make everyone hate Americans. Can't say I blame them either.

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It is the density of American politicians like him that thinks that America can get its way around the world using force and fear that makes America that unpopular. It does not work though, American influence in the hearts and minds of global citizens detoriate and thus American influence naturally detoriates too. The military does not have the capacity to counter this loss of influence since it is so huge.

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OMG you guys really don't get that zipo was being sarcastic do you? zipo stated that his first post in this thread was satire. A working definition of satire:

Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

Therefore when zipo writes:

As you know, many posters on ot-politics are posting material supporting, encouraging, and expressing sympathy for islamic and palestinian terrorism.

I will be happy to provide you with my research on relevant legislation in the US (e.g. Sedition Act, Patriot Act) and the EU (e.g. pending legislation criminalizing expressions of support and sympathy for terrorism).

Together, I am sure we can adequately police and sanitize these threads of any objectionable content.

And let me be among the first to thank you and congratulate you for your efforts in this regard.

Using the working definition of satire, his post is utilizing irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity of people who support such legislation as the Patriot Act or Sedition laws.

I don't know if you all are just taking an opportunity to climb up on your soap box; are purposly being dense; so emotional that you can't discern obvious satire and/or sarcasm; all of the above; none of the above? Don't understand why you can't see that zipo actually agrees with your viewpoints more or less. Perhaps zipo's post could be construed as a troll post but I definitely would disagree. IMO some of you guys need to lighten up a little.

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>>Your views are dangerous and quite simply un-American.

Feel free to reject this characterization any way you see appropriate. <<

Your glaring inabllity to recognize obvious satire is staggering. I'm not calling you an idiot mind you - however it would be accurate to characterize your thinking as excessively concrete.

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It's posts like this that make everyone hate Americans. Can't say I blame them either.

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It is the density of American politicians like him that thinks that America can get its way around the world using force and fear that makes America that unpopular. It does not work though, American influence in the hearts and minds of global citizens detoriate and thus American influence naturally detoriates too. The military does not have the capacity to counter this loss of influence since it is so huge.

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OMG you guys really don't get that zipo was being sarcastic do you? zipo stated that his first post in this thread was satire. A working definition of satire:

Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

Therefore when zipo writes:

As you know, many posters on ot-politics are posting material supporting, encouraging, and expressing sympathy for islamic and palestinian terrorism.

I will be happy to provide you with my research on relevant legislation in the US (e.g. Sedition Act, Patriot Act) and the EU (e.g. pending legislation criminalizing expressions of support and sympathy for terrorism).

Together, I am sure we can adequately police and sanitize these threads of any objectionable content.

And let me be among the first to thank you and congratulate you for your efforts in this regard.

Using the working definition of satire, his post is utilizing irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity of people who support such legislation as the Patriot Act or Sedition laws.

I don't know if you all are just taking an opportunity to climb up on your soap box; are purposly being dense; so emotional that you can't discern obvious satire and/or sarcasm; all of the above; none of the above? Don't understand why you can't see that zipo actually agrees with your viewpoints more or less. Perhaps zipo's post could be construed as a troll post but I definitely would disagree. IMO some of you guys need to lighten up a little.

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...he problably read it literally, as English is not his first language and he missed the nuances of the irony.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

Since he expressed similar views without sarcasm (or so I believed) earlier, so I did not detect it. As Myrtle points out it is more difficult to detect in foreign languages.

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Ok you have an excuse [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] but the others don't as my post was directed at the other responders as well. I find it hard to believe that you didn't read zipo's reply to Cyrus stating that his post was satire though.