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Old 12-29-2005, 05:55 PM
UCF THAYER UCF THAYER is offline
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Default 215 Flush on paired board

PartyPoker, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t985)
UTG+1 (t895)
MP1 (t975)
MP2 (t2635)
MP3 (t970)
Hero (t725)
Button (t830)
SB (t985)
BB (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t15, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, Button calls t15, SB calls t5, BB checks

Flop: (t90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t45</font>, Hero calls t45, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t45, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG calls t45

Turn: (t270) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t55</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises t180</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, UTG calls t180, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>

River: (t685) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">UTG bets t475</font>, <font color="gray">Hero ???
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

I'd be folding that preflop, but ok since we have called, I'd probably raise the flop to get a free turn (for when the diamond doesn't come) and to get all in more easily (when it does).
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

Well, just talking about the river.

You might not win, but I think it would be a little nutty to leave yourself with 500, abandoning 1100 in the pot when you have the 2nd best possible flush.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

Everyone's been saying that you need to play the early game well to make money at the $215s, so i assume that means playing good drawing hands in LP. So i don't mind the call preflop.

UTG's cold call on the turn scares me. It looks like he could have missed a limp reraise PF with AA and filled up on the turn. 88 is another possibility. If hes a good player, i can't see him limping UTG with any flushes.

Anyway, I think you're supposed to fold this (tho i wouldnt at the $33s) Would you have bet if he checked the river to you? How would you react to a checkraise?
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

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Everyone's been saying that you need to play the early game well to make money at the $215s, so i assume that means playing good drawing hands in LP. So i don't mind the call preflop.

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I think that's a bit overrated to be honest, and a bit loose to be calling QJs one off the button to only two limpers. I dunno but it seems like you'll be gambling too often on the flop when you do "hit", like this one.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:06 PM
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Yeah I was kind of wondering about this. I mean the whole concept of suited connectors is to see a cheap, multi-way flop right? And these are nice high SCs at that. So when would you ever play QJs if not in this spot (or pushbot land obviously). Is fold the general consensus here?
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

With one more limper, or from the button.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:09 PM
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I suppose there are some villians for whom 88 and maybe 22 are the only possible hands here, but you have to know a lot more than they are just $215ers to know that.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

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I suppose there are some villians for whom 88 and maybe 22 are the only possible hands here, but you have to know a lot more than they are just $215ers to know that.

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Yea, why am i assuming that $215ers can't be donks? So add a few random hands into the mix, and i think you can call. But it still looks like a boat / quads.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: 215 Flush on paired board

thinking about folding this river is worthy of being slapped around.
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