Two 25/50 QQ hands

[Ulysses]

Hand 1: 6-handed. 7k stacks. I have been playing pretty aggro. Tightish, somewhat aggressive but not overaggro player opens for 150 UTG. His opens range from 125-175 pretty randomly. Caller. I make it 650 in CO w/ black QQ. Opener calls, caller folds.

Flop 2s 8h 9h : Check, I bet 1300, he checkraises all-in for 6400.

Hand 2: About 15 minutes later. 5-handed. 5k stacks. Same guy opens for 125. I make it 425 in SB w/ QsQh. He calls.

Flop 3d 5h 7s : I bet 900, he minraises to 1800. What's your plan? If we know what he had last time (set, flush draw, or pair hand), does that make a difference in your plan?

[mgsimpleton]

hey, you're reraising your suited connectors and low pairs preflop occasionally right? i mean, do they have a reason to necessarily put you on big pairs here? that's an important piece i think before commenting on the hand.

[Ulysses]

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hey, you're reraising your suited connectors and low pairs preflop occasionally right? i mean, do they have a reason to necessarily put you on big pairs here? that's an important piece i think before commenting on the hand.

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While I mix things up to a degree, most players in this game will assume that their opponents will have a big pair (TT+) or AK a large percentage of the time in these spots. Especially when the reraise is OOP. For the purposes of analysis, I think it's safe to say my opponent thinks there's a big chance I have an overpair or AK in both hands.

[Yeti]

Hand 1 - My first impression is that this looks like a huge draw. I would call most of the time here, but if you analyse it maybe I should be thinking about folding. You are either flipping to a big draw like AhKh, or losing badly to a set imo. 89 is also a possibility. JT is kind of a possibility but you say he's not overly aggressive.

Hand 2 - I am still not good enough to fold these, hence I push. I guess hand 1 factors in because if he pushed with a hand in 1, I'd imagine he would have done here.

I'm not comfortable laying down hands like these against aggressive opponents short-handed. I would likely play for my stack in both. Maybe this is a leak. Maybe I have it confused and hand 1 is a no-brainer whereas you should think about folding in 2.

edit - I meant to say in my summary that his range in hand 1 is probably a lot wider than I'm making out. There's no reason he couldn't have AA-TT here either. Boo, I dunno.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

I think without reads that in hand #1 (assuming opponent is a good player) you could take out a quarter and flip it and be pretty close to optimal. I'd only lean one way or another depending on how passive or agro he is, and what preflop raises signify in this game.

[mgsimpleton]

based on your description, i really think hand 1 is a fold. for all the reasons yeti said (though his conclusion was call, lol). it's either way behind or coin flip, IMO.

hand 2 is tough because the board is rainbow... i'm thinking he could have a set, 2 pair, 68 but more likely is either a pair gutshot combo like 67 or a smaller overpair like TT or JJ. in this one i might be a sucker but i'm pushing. i also in general just get very confused by minraises.

[Yeti]

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based on your description, i really think hand 1 is a fold. for all the reasons yeti said (though his conclusion was call, lol).

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I told you I hate folding [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[fimbulwinter]

i think folding hand 1 is pretty standard.

fim

[Yeti]

Actually, everyone should pretty much ignore what I wrote for Hand 1, as I'm 4-tabling and didn't basically pay enough (read : any) attention to preflop.

I agree this should be folded. Begrudgingly.

89/JT are pretty much not options now. Looks like big flush draw or a set. Maybe an overpair, he could easily have AA/KK. Fold.

[mgsimpleton]

i think i'm going to start changing my advice when i get shot down by everyone else too. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]