Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

[Maulik]

you shouldn't limp utg w/ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

on the flop lead.

on the turn why are you getting most of your chips in with a draw? he's not folding any of his hands to your raise?

[guns4show]

I am happy you posted this because I've wanted to ask the following question:

Is a raise to $35 or $40 on the flop a good idea?

i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

instead of check/calling the flop, i would lead into the raiser with 9

Ok, so I lead the flop - how do I handle these scenarios?

1. Villain raises - big re-raise/push?
2. Villain calls, turn is a brick (say, 2s)
3. Villain calls, turn gives me the FD (like in the real hand)

[mason55]

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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

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I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true.

[mason55]

As played, just call the turn. You're getting immediate odds to draw to your 7 thousand outs, even if you don't get anymore in on the river when you hit.

The time to get aggressive with big draws is the flop when you still have 2 cards to come.

[deaders]

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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

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I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true.

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Exactly, saying its ok as long as you are not really deep is a big misunderstanding of the game.

[jsnipes28]

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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

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I'm definitely sure the exact opposite is true.

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I think you should lead this flop. The raise on the turn seems like chip spewing to me bc if villains is one who is incapable of folding an overpair you should wait until you make your hand to put your chips in. As played i am calling turn, though i hate it and pushing river if i hit.

This is one of those instances that illustrates why you should have folded preflop, IMO, because you got a decent flop and now you are OOP, probably behind but still can't reasonably find a fold. Not the best situation.

Thank you for the replies, everyone. Villain had 74o (bizarre, and I guess serves me right for not paying closer attention to how he was playing - but, whether it was 74o or AA I had to play the hand knowing I was behind, so it doesn't really matter) and I missed on the river. I'll try to post more hands like this in the future as I work on this aspect of my game, because I'm not going to get very far if I can't be aggressive without a made hand.

[cbloom]

You shouldn't just be aggressive for its own sake. You want to raise with draws for specific reasons - to get (incorrect) folds, to disguise your hand for better implied odds (this rarely works), to buy a free card on the turn (again this is rarely correct), or some combination.

For example, raising a good draw in last position on the flop is nice because A) it builds the pot if you hit, B) he may just fold, which is nice, C) if he pushes, you can often correctly call, D) he may check the turn E) it puts you in the lead, so if he checks the turn & river you may be able to bet unimproved and win the pot with a pure bluff.

A very rough guideline for semi-bluffing with your whole stack is that you should never do it unless it's pretty likely they will fold a better hand. If not, just call if you are getting correct odds.