100nl 6max lost on the turn

2PAUL2 · #1 09-13-2005, 01:14 PM

ive noticed im having problems deciding what to do on the turn about 50% of the time im there, so i thought id post a few hands where im unsure of the turn play starting with this one.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($100.10)
CO ($91.60)
Button ($190.60)
Hero ($92.50)
BB ($99)
UTG ($119.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $5, 1 fold, CO calls $4, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($15) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $13, CO calls $13, Button calls $13.

Turn: ($55) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero?

both these guys were pretty similar, very loose and quite passive for 6 max, in the 40/5/2 range.

so if u can give me a few ideas and then ill tell what i did and why.

thanks paul

troymclur · #2 09-13-2005, 01:23 PM

I'd bet about 40 or 45. You're golden. Flush draw and maybe a QJ for the straight draw is possible for the button, certainly no made straight out there. I think you're ahead. Any showdowns with either of them before?

If you knock one of them out, your 35 is probably going in the pot regardless of the river card. If both call, i think any scare card beats you. Two pair or set will re-raise to protect on the flop, i think you're good at the turn.

phillydilly · #3 09-13-2005, 01:24 PM

ug
tough
well there are obviously a ton of draws out there
i'm assuming the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] missed, it would help only 86 and Q9, and i'm hoping neither call your preflop bet.
So unless 2pr or a set, i'm thinking you are still good.

i think i just push, you have about $75 left, so its a slight overbet of the pot but there are two players in so you are justified, if one has a flush draw, one has a straight draw, let them call and try and outdraw.
If i'm up against a set/2pr, my money is going in now or on the river, so i might as well try and get it in now so if it is draws, i'm charging them the max.

if they were aggressive, i may go for a checkraise, folding to a big bet, and a small to medium bet go all in over the top.

but i would like to see more thoughts on this hand

yvesaint · #4 09-13-2005, 02:18 PM

Only draw that hit was J8. Against loose-passives, bet, bet, bet, beware of any sort of raise. These guys will call down with any T.

djoyce003 · #5 09-13-2005, 03:04 PM

i haven't seen anything to make me think you are behind. I'd bet around the size of the pot. I don't mind a push either because the rest of the money is going in on the river pretty much no matter what.

BobboFitos · #6 09-13-2005, 03:55 PM

i make a big bet, stack sizes are awkward. eh, just push, no need to pot commit yourself with anything smaller

2PAUL2 · #7 09-13-2005, 07:53 PM

looks like i mighta got one right then.

i felt one of them probably had a T and the other some kind of draw and i didnt have enough to bet/fold so i pushed.

the first guy folded and the second guy called with T8 an with no improvement MHIG [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

thanks

paul

hukilai · #8 09-13-2005, 08:45 PM

I push here and accept losing to sets.

BTW, 40/5/2 is definitely not loose for 6max - it is about normal. Loose are gufs with 60+ stats.