Agression, agression, agression

rigoletto · #1 10-01-2004, 05:25 AM

Paradise Poker 40/80 Hold'em (6 handed). Table is ludecreously agressive, like tilting teenagers on speed. I'm particularly interested in oponions about turn and river as I think the flop playes itself.

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG raises, MP 3-bets, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (22 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24 BB
Main Pot: 24 BB, between UTG and Hero.

DeeJ · #2 10-01-2004, 08:15 AM

I like the turn. I would lead out on the river though for fear of it being checked around. What were you thinking when check-raising the turn but then passively check-calling the river? For the value of the nuts (a ten)? Or to push the tilting teens off .. ?

I'm interested to hear the reasoning since I don't play this high [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] but would be distressed to hear if UTG had had KT....but he probably doesn't have, because he didn't cap the turn.

elindauer · #3 10-01-2004, 12:05 PM

For tilting teens on speed, they sure chilled out on the turn. They must have very little. You must be good on the river.

Although I would probably bet, checking to induce a bluff seems reasonable. You'll have to call though even if it's two cold back to you.

Good luck.
Eric

mplspoker · #4 10-01-2004, 03:11 PM

Preflop good. Flop? I know you have AK and draw at nuts and two overs, but you call 3 cold on flop? Even if the table is very aggressive I wouldn't even consider this and there is no way that is solid poker. Completely rediculous in my opinion. I don't play 40/80 but please explain?????

Stork · #5 10-01-2004, 09:56 PM

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Preflop good. Flop? I know you have AK and draw at nuts and two overs, but you call 3 cold on flop? Even if the table is very aggressive I wouldn't even consider this and there is no way that is solid poker. Completely rediculous in my opinion. I don't play 40/80 but please explain?????

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If I'm not mistaken,which I never am, there are 26.5 small bets in the pot when the action gets to him on the flop. He's getting about 8~1 pot odds, and he has 10 outs, 6 of which may or may not be clean (the kings and aces might make a straight, or if they both fall anyone holding a ten has a straight). His other 4 outs, the tens, are to the nut straight. The implied odds of hitting his gutshot alone give him odds to call, and with his overcards theres no question.(Overcards included he's about 4~1 to hit)

Equal · #6 10-02-2004, 04:51 AM

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Preflop good. Flop? I know you have AK and draw at nuts and two overs, but you call 3 cold on flop? Even if the table is very aggressive I wouldn't even consider this and there is no way that is solid poker. Completely rediculous in my opinion. I don't play 40/80 but please explain?????

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If I'm not mistaken,which I never am, there are 26.5 small bets in the pot when the action gets to him on the flop. He's getting about 8~1 pot odds, and he has 10 outs, 6 of which may or may not be clean (the kings and aces might make a straight, or if they both fall anyone holding a ten has a straight). His other 4 outs, the tens, are to the nut straight. The implied odds of hitting his gutshot alone give him odds to call, and with his overcards theres no question.(Overcards included he's about 4~1 to hit)

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Stork is correct. Do you see why?

random · #7 10-02-2004, 04:54 AM

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Stork is correct. Do you see why?

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anatta · #8 10-02-2004, 07:02 AM

The river check is most mysterious. Did you put your aggressive opponents on a pair of queens or less and think that they would probably fold to a bet but make a bluff? I think opponents tend to make weak calls in big pots before the make bluff bets into same, but maybe I am not reading you right, and maybe these crack heads were just the type to make this play work. nh I hope you won!

rigoletto · #9 10-04-2004, 07:54 AM

BB Shows Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and MHIG.

Anatta is complety right about the river: I should have bet and regretted not doing so as soon as I hit the button.

I checkraised the turn because: 1) I might have the best hand 2) I wanted to know if I was still drawing and could fold the river unimproved.