declaring all-in in a limit game

#1 10-22-2005, 04:43 AM

ok so after pechange (read other post about bad beat jackpot) and dinner, buddy and I go to san manuel tonight. I am sitting 3-6 with about 120 or so in front of me.

I get QJ off, dont remember position, maybe mp-lp. Anyway flop has a Qxt, dont remember better rounds either. turn is a T, river brings another Q, its me and another guy heads up at the end, I bet, he raises, reraise, etc,etc, finally after about 5 sets of this I say im all in, the dealer looks at me and says you cant say that, and I said I mean im going to reraise until i am all in, he said you cant do that, but the guy says I call. Then we sit there, anyway finally I called the guys last reraise and did the showdown.

SO i had like 60 left in front of me and he had like 20-30, he wins, had TT for quads which I didnt think he would have, was a new player and didnt have a read yet but thats not the point of the post.

Ok so now my question is was that all in declare actually binding? Nobody said anything about it but im just curious.
I remember a post about this but im not sure.

juanez · #2 10-22-2005, 04:51 AM

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Ok so now my question is was that all in declare actually binding?

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No. You have to go through the motions and raise, reraise, re-reraise, re-re-raise, etc. at the limit you are playing at until you are actually out of chips (instert house rules diclaimer here).

A dealer here recently got busted by gaming for allowing a few players to "cap it" to $30 in one betting motion in a 5/5 limit game without going through raise, reraise motions.

private joker · #3 10-22-2005, 04:56 AM

Sorry, but why in the world would you want to put 20 BBs into a pot with just a Q on a QQTTx board? If a guy puts in a 5th raise, shouldn't you be at least concerned? At best you're chopping, but at worst he has TT. Did you think he would keep reraising with just tens full?

Randy_Refeld · #4 10-22-2005, 05:19 AM

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Ok so now my question is was that all in declare actually binding?

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No. You have to go through the motions and raise, reraise, re-reraise, re-re-raise, etc. at the limit you are playing at until you are actually out of chips (instert house rules diclaimer here).

A dealer here recently got busted by gaming for allowing a few players to "cap it" to $30 in one betting motion in a 5/5 limit game without going through raise, reraise motions.

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In jurisdictions with a max bet size there would be legal issues involved that would require betting in the amount of the limit.

When there are no legal issues when a pot is heads up if a player offers action and the other accepts, the action is binding (there are some that say you should trim back over bets in pot limit even heads up). If one player offers to go all in and the other player calls the first player is all-in.

csuf_gambler · #5 10-22-2005, 05:22 AM

hows the carding situation at san manuel?

Rick Nebiolo · #6 10-22-2005, 06:00 AM

A couple of years ago girlfriend is playing 15/30 and on the river is head up with this guy and it goes bet-raise-reraise-reraise-reraise and now the guy pushes about three stacks ($300 or so) into the pot and she says call and pushes her chips in. Normally there is no problem and the action stands since most people are a little bit honorable but now the guy realizes he is up against the nuts (stakes were around 15/30) and he pulls the big stacks back and says "just kidding". Floorman comes over and says he can't enforce an invalid raise so the guy gets to keep his money except for the last reraise.

Today a shift manager from another card club said he would rule the action stands but acknowledged he wouldn't be on firm ground after I told him about what happened to girlfriend at the other club.

This hits home because a couple of days ago I'm playing NL with this same guy who ripped off my girlfriend and after a few limpers BTF I put in a big raise and most fold but now one player is thinking about calling and this same POS who's not even in the hand tells the guy he "shouldn't call me I have a huge pair blah blah blah". After the guy folds I lay into the POS saying "You should keep your mouth shut when you're not in the hand and BTW I'll never forgive you for what you did to my girlfriend two years ago" and the table gets silent since usually I don't get into arguments and they may be thinking its some jealousy/sexual type thing but now I quickly tell the table the story above and say only someone dishonorable would do such a thing and the guy shuts up for twenty minutes which is good for him and for us since we had twenty minutes of him keeping his mouth shut which is the next best thing to heaven.

~ Rick

mosch · #7 10-22-2005, 08:50 AM

If you're only going 5 more bets, it's easier to just play them out. If you and your opponent are both very deep, then after six or seven bets I'd ask my opponent if they want to re-raise until all-in, and if they say yes, ask the dealer if that would be binding.

If the dealer says yes, I sincerely doubt any problems would follow.

If the dealer says no, the players can just sit there and say raise for the next two minutes.

I've won (and lost) some comically large pots this way.

#8 10-22-2005, 12:25 PM

I have to say that I have been playing at pechanga exlusively since they did the new room, however not wanting to make the drive went there. The new poker room is nice, not quite as open as pechanga and not as many tables either. However the tables are very nice/new, chips seem new as well, some of the tables have shufflers some dont. Got there and there was a huge list for both 2/4 3/6 so we got on each list and in about 15-20 minutes we sat down. Dealers seem pretty competient, they can figure out multiple side pots fast, and seem to do a great job directing the action.

Play seemed normal fishy 3/6, other than the mistake I made on this hand, it seemed that if you played your solid holdem you could run the table, saw a lot of raises that would fold on the turn or river to a reraise.

Anyway I think this is my new place to play.

Al_Capone_Junior · #9 10-22-2005, 12:31 PM

I saw this type of thing happen in cali once where the house let both players go all-in without going through the raise/reraise motions. However, the VAST majority of houses nationwide won't let you do this, you'll have to go through the motions. "Gaming" is probably the reason why in most places they won't let you do this in a limit game.

If you have the absolute nuts, you should make damn sure where you're at on this topic before you go showing your hand.

al

MicroBob · #10 10-22-2005, 01:43 PM

wow. this is a pretty bad play.

did you just think he had a T?