KK when an Ace flops

dfscott · #1 09-06-2004, 09:58 PM

I'm never sure what to do in this situation. Half the time I give them credit for the Ace and the other half of the time I can't. This time, I just straddled the fence.

No reads on the blinds. Table had been fairly loose but had tightened up recently.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB
Main Pot: 9 BB, between SB and Hero.

Smokey98 · #2 09-06-2004, 10:47 PM

I'm interested in hearing others thoughts on this one.

Monty Cantsin · #3 09-06-2004, 11:00 PM

Ugh, that's a bitch of a river because a lot of the aggro draws that might possibly play this way just got there.

But you seem to have decided on the flop to look him up, which really means calling come what may. That's not such a terrible line to take with KK heads up.

Against a Party 2/4 unknown the decision to dump this on the flop or call him down is a close one for me. But you do have position so if you want to play on it might be cheaper to 3-bet the flop, lead the turn, check the river, and fold to additional aggression.

In addition to being cheaper this line also has a sliver of a chance to fold A-rag. Although it gives the hand away to a bluffer willing to keep firing.

/mc

Richard Berg · #4 09-06-2004, 11:47 PM

Warning: novice HU player

If I thought I had a chance, I would try to win this hand without a showdown.

Antinomy · #5 09-07-2004, 01:04 AM

How I play that depends in part on what my recent actions were. If I had made some tough folds recently, I would be more inclined to call him down because I don't want people inspired to take shots at me. Otherwise, the check-raise on the flop looks like he has a real hand, possibly a good draw. I don't think you could be faulted if you drop right there.

Normally, heads-up, once I decide to call someone down, I call him down. That might be a leak in my game. But in this case the ten of clubs is exceptionally scary. It completes a flush and a straight. What legitimate hands could he have here that you can still beat?

You are being offered 8 to 1 on your call. Is there a greater than 11% chance that your opponent is nuts, on tilt, or bluffing?

In truth, I probably call here, but I am not at all certain that I should call here.

Fnord · #6 09-07-2004, 01:28 AM

I'm more inclined to give the SB credit for an Ace or better than the BB.

Chairman Wood · #7 09-07-2004, 01:38 AM

call me weak/tight or whatever you want but does anyone consider folding after the c/r on the flop? I can see that you might not want to considering future play but I think you are behind here. If you do call the raise should one then fold the turn if a blank hits?

Luv2DriveTT · #8 09-07-2004, 01:40 AM

I know others will dissagree with me, but for 5 BB at the turn I fold this hand to the opponent's first to act aggression. Anything beyond this point becomes gambling in my book. Let the villan take this small pot, save yourself for the BIG pots.

Opinions?

TT in da club [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Evan · #9 09-07-2004, 01:42 AM

How about 3 betting the flop and folding to a turn bet?

zimmer879 · #10 09-07-2004, 01:54 AM

Without a read, I fold this virtually every time. Flush/straight draws rarely check-raise, so you're probably looking at a pair of Aces or better. Plus the pot ain't big enough to fight over.