AQ & QQ - Two handed post vs Unknowns

[POKhER]

Three responses so its time to start to discuss hand 3 as this was the toughest decision i faced.

We've three decisions Raise(Ahead so for value/protection), Fold(behind/Drawing dead), Call(drawing)

Raising - Well we assume we're ahead and maybe or maybe not drawing to the winning flush. Raising will charge the other guys drawing to 2pair/Flushes/other hands and make weaker hands fold(protection) its also for value.



Fold - We're behind and not drawing to a winner often.This is based on the assumption that between the two one has an ace and the other a stronger flush.

Call - We're chasing the flushdraw but think we're behind an ace so when the flush hits we must get as much value as possible from it.

However with the call line, we're sometimes walking into a trap(losing to A/K high flush). So we'd most likly have to BET/FOLD. However we're sandwiched so we'll either face a bet which we can either call or raise(most likly go for overcalls due to being unsure if we're ahead). Or face a check which we will have to bet but what do we do if raised? Assuming majority of "unknowns" wont bluff raise we must fold no?

As we're in this tricky situation by calling and hitting our flush it seems we won't make up enough for the times we:

Hit and lose to a higher flush
Miss and lose to an Ace.
Miss and beat weaker pairs.

So IMO its either Fold/Raise. I'm sure i've overlooked some lines/affects of our actions such as killing bluffs etc.

Of course on the call line we maybe ahead... But it just doesn't seem that way.


Edit: it was 3responses at least when i typed this up LOL. P.s. Please critique this.

[jba]

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As we're in this tricky situation by calling and hitting our flush it seems we won't make up enough for the times we:

Hit and lose to a higher flush
Miss and lose to an Ace.
Miss and beat weaker pairs.

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how can you make this statement without putting villains on ranges? This needs to be quantified. the pot is offering decent odds.

[POKhER]

7:1 and potentially facing a slowplayed flush from the guy acting after us.

I just don't feel we'll win enough when we do hit our flush, and we'll often be behind an ace.

Its pretty hard to put unknowns(Litrally unknown, no PT stats nor reads which is strange as i datamine all day long). on a range, but im basing these assumptions on "the majority"(Which i accept is subjective).

I had villan on a flush draw, maybe toppair.

I mean i raised preflop then he donks a monotone flop. I raise him and he doesn't 3bet...

I guess a flush draw may 3bet here, topair probably wouldnt. Then the ace hits and he donks again 3WAY.

Now this seems a pretty strong gesture, maybe 2pair... maybe just spiked an ace after thinking he had lots of FE by donking this flop.

I can't pin him down, its just more "Instinct" that i dont think we'll win spiking a flush. Can honestly say im not biased by the results which i'll reveal after a conclusion(if possible).

What do you put him on to call down?

Fairly hard to put him on a range therefore justify actions based on the % chance of what he may hold which puts up arguement for calling down vs an unknown due to a bluff.

But i think calling down potential 3way pot(Sure HU is different) on this board with that overcard seems -EV longterm.

you disagree?