Two KJs blind hands that suck.

pokerstudAA · #1 12-07-2005, 03:42 PM

First Hand:
Table was getting wack aggressive - most 3 bets were A8, JQs, and 66. Alot of action. I think I am semi-tilted at this point. The preflop call was fishy perhaps? I did not want to fold this preflop with all the aggression that was going on.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, CO caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls.

River: (14 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Second Hand:
One again - cold call bad?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, CO calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

How many mistakes???

Chairman Wood · #2 12-07-2005, 03:53 PM

Hand 1) Check turn. You are not value betting anymore (you probably have around 30% equity) and I don't see how you can produce two folds. Also, it leaves you in a situation where if you hit on the river you could get more bets in by c/r.

MrWookie47 · #3 12-07-2005, 03:54 PM

Hand 1 I check the turn. You're not folding both of them, and you don't have the best hand.

Hand 2 is a pretty questionable cool call in the SB in a 1/3 structure. In a 1/2 or larger structure, this is a clear call with the two limpers, but I'm not sure about 1/3. Postflop is solid.

Chairman Wood · #4 12-07-2005, 03:55 PM

Hand 2) Perhaps lead the flop in order to enlist pretty aggresive BB into protecting your hand for you. Otherwise, I don't see much else you could do.

pokerstudAA · #5 12-07-2005, 03:58 PM

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Hand 2) Perhaps lead the flop in order to enlist pretty aggresive BB into protecting your hand for you. Otherwise, I don't see much else you could do.

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Dont want to go HU here calling extra bets when I am behind. Check call gets my weak draw at the cheapest price. More people calling = better odds.

POKhER · #6 12-07-2005, 04:02 PM

Firstly - KJs is usually a Re-Raise or a fold in EP/MP for me.

Hand 1 -Preflop is OK IMO specially at this table(You say lots of junky hands got 3bet/capped) and the fact you on SB(Cheaper call) but i think you must fold for 2 back to you. Also don't call these if it WILL get 3bet/Capped IMO(Unless they are always wacko hands - Walking into AK/AJ/AA/KK sucks)!

Check the turn, the club dropped your outs(and equity) and with one card to come it has obviously dropped.

Hand 2 - Preflop same as hand 1, SB cheaper - But if you have any idea of it gettign 3bet you want to fold.

Rest is standard(Flop Call is marginal but huge pot/OC/BDFD/BDSD)

Chobohoya · #7 12-07-2005, 04:03 PM

These hands dont suck, I'm thinking that your tilting a little? When you have a gajillion outs and don't hit, that's not suck, and when you do hit, it's really not suck.

anyways, don't bet the turn in hand one every time. If you had said that they love to come to life on the river I think it can be ok, but otherwise just check and hope you hit your nuts/2nd nuts.

Hand 2 looks ok. I dont like betting the flop, because even if you "clean up" your outs, you're not in better shape.

bobman0330 · #8 12-07-2005, 05:15 PM

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Hand 2) Perhaps lead the flop in order to enlist pretty aggresive BB into protecting your hand for you. Otherwise, I don't see much else you could do.

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I agree with this. Pot is very big, you might be ahead, RRer to your left. I lead out and hope to narrow it down.

gonzopro · #9 12-07-2005, 05:22 PM

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Hand 2 is a pretty questionable cool call in the SB

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Are you saying this because with 2 limpers vs 1 (like in hand 1) the risk of domination is more?

callydrias · #10 12-07-2005, 05:42 PM

#1: I would 3-bet this and make the BB call 2 to see the flop. With what you desribe being 3-bet at this table, your KJs is much better than a lot of hands CO would be raising. Rest of the hand played fine.

#2: With 2 limpers, I think this call is fine. I would lead the flop and hope BB raised to clear out the field.