Neverlose

[J_V]

This is probably the wrong forum, but I feel like most of the posters here would be able to help me understand this issue better than any other forum. I apologize for the blatant forum abuse.

I'm not sure what the final verdict is on the Pokerstars player Neverlose. He seems as bot-like as possible and plays at the highest limits. I'm sure other people would no more about this player than me. Before I ask any questions, I would like to list the reasons why this player looks to be a bot:

1. Plays a ridiculous amount of hours at ridiculously long stretches.
2. Multitables short 100-200 and 75-150 omaha
3. Hardly ever talks.
4. Never rebuys until he is bust. Will play a 100-200 hand with $200 dollars
5. Plays heads up very slowly (much like other bots)

I am very annoyed at this situation. Why is Pokerstars doing letting this player play on their site? I know I'm not the only player that thinks this player is not a human? Are they ignoring the obvious signs?

Can we assume their are other very strong short high limit bots at other sites?

Does anyone here who knows something about the situation not believe this player to be a bot?

Would it be harder to program a bot to beat shorthanded omaha or holdem? It seems to play omaha8 very badly.

When I played it heads up it seemed very beatable, but I'm a newbie at short omaha8.

And lastly, would you play with the bot?

[vector2]

A couple people finally saw him talk a couple times but I guess that's hardly conclusive. The better question is are there any bots out there that even good enough to sit higher limits? To my knowledge, the "best" bots out there are barely good enough to break even at 2/4.

[Sponger15SB]

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4. Never rebuys until he is bust. Will play a 100-200 hand with $200 dollars


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All other points don't really sway me one way or the other except this.

Even an idiot should know you need to have more than that on the table so you don't screw yourself if a good hand comes along.

However, wouldn't a highly sophisticated bot who can beat 100-200 short handed be able to click a rebuy button? Or at least just put $20,000 on the table so he wouldn't go bust except for during a horrible run.

[vector2]

I don't think #4 is truly a compelling point just because of the sheer number of stars 100/200 players who play with less than a thousand and only reload when they're about to bust or only have a few bets left.

[mike l.]

i dont get it. the bot sucks but you dont want him on their anyway? or is the bot good at hold em and only sucks at omaha?

[Sponger15SB]

If you want to see some interesting stuff on Neverlose search RGP.

Here is a good one
(folds getting 57-1 on the river with $22 left in his stack)

[J_V]

Supposedly neverlose is very good at short holdem and seems bad at omaha to me.

[James282]

That really looks a lot like a bot play to me. No one who could afford to play those limits would make that fold on purpose with virtually any holding.
-James

[Diplomat]

I think the point goes beyond neverlose. IMO the point is that someone can build a bot that can beat 100-200 online AND the site which it plays on is apparently indifferent to the bots' existence.

-Diplomat

[J_V]

Yes, exactly. Bots shouldn't have free range on poker sites no matter how good or bad they are.