QQ on ugly board

theBruiser500 · #1 11-11-2005, 04:05 PM

New button limps, he has 5,800 after winning 800 off me last hand, never seen him before. He limps on buttion I raise to $400 in SB with QQ. He calls, flop is JT5o, I bet pot $900 he calls. Turn is 8 and puts 2 clubs up, pot is $2700 he has a little more than 4k left. In the game, I checked, how do you like that?

HoldEmKillah · #2 11-11-2005, 04:12 PM

I like it if you plan on checkraising all in.

*I don't play this high*

theBruiser500 · #3 11-11-2005, 04:21 PM

Actually he bet $1200 and I just called that, with no plan yet for the river.

KaneKungFu123 · #4 11-11-2005, 04:24 PM

i really dont think this board is ugly for you.

theBruiser500 · #5 11-11-2005, 04:26 PM

JT8, after he limped and called my raise? he could have two pair, and if he has one pair he folds. with the stack sizes and pot sizes as they are it seems awkward

HoldEmKillah · #6 11-11-2005, 04:27 PM

I think this is an ugly board for 2 pair from opponents perspective. I think he raises flop if he has top 2.

edit: *JT8 is ugly for top 2, not JT5...it's the former right?*

BobboFitos · #7 11-11-2005, 05:55 PM

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JT8, after he limped and called my raise? he could have two pair, and if he has one pair he folds. with the stack sizes and pot sizes as they are it seems awkward

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who says he's folding 1 pair? he's a short buyin. maybe he'll put you on ak or something trying to semibluff.

also, i doubt the 8 pair hit his 2 pair hand, is he limp/calling j8 or t8 and calling pot sized bet? not unless he thought his hand was good.

i push the turn for a few reasons; 1, you're probably ahead but dont know what rivers make his hand. 2, if you're behind, such as to JT, you wont be paid off if you hit 4str8 or board pairs below. 3, if he's on pure bluff, if you call, then check river, how often is he going to put it in dead? maybe 50/100 they do it more often then my and similar (Smaller) stakes, but they shut down on the turn call unless they can beat overpair.

and i hate the idea of check-calling and folding unimporved, when you dont have effective odds to improve, and for that matter, dont know what improves you!

Ulysses · #8 11-11-2005, 04:47 PM

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i really dont think this board is ugly for you.

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I also assumed you were going for cr ai.

okayplayer · #9 11-11-2005, 04:31 PM

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Actually he bet $1200 and I just called that, with no plan yet for the river.

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I would have c/r all in.

BobboFitos · #10 11-11-2005, 05:52 PM

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Actually he bet $1200 and I just called that, with no plan yet for the river.

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i dont get it