I lost just the right amount...Yes?

Carmine · #1 04-04-2005, 05:37 PM

Only two orbits. Villian is average player. Not a maniac.
Did I lose just the right amount or should I have not 3-bet the turn. When he raised the turn I was concerned and when he capped I knew.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

River: (12.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB

Spicymoose · #2 04-04-2005, 06:27 PM

No problems.

flopmonster · #3 04-04-2005, 06:47 PM

Played it good

hate · #4 04-04-2005, 06:51 PM

Am I the only one that doesn't like this unless I can fold to the cap?

damaniac · #5 04-04-2005, 07:04 PM

That seems like a good idea. Villain is not a maniac, so they probably aren't raising any 2-pair hands here (b/c they raised PF), more than likely they have a set. The question is whether they're going to have something like AK here often enough for us to call down. In theory, I think folding against a known standard/tight/passive player to be right. In practice, I don't know that I do it, or that most people do it.

hate · #6 04-04-2005, 07:11 PM

I know I can't do it, that's why I don't 3-bet the turn here.

Moozh · #7 04-04-2005, 07:37 PM

You can't fold to a turn cap. You have too many outs to spike a board pair to beat another two-pair on the river.

hate · #8 04-04-2005, 07:59 PM

If you think the board pairing will do anything other than give him quads or a boat, I think your reading skills need some improvement.

Carmine · #9 04-04-2005, 09:17 PM

Looking over this hand again. Once I 3-bet and it is capped I'm 90% sure he has a set and folding to the cap is the correct play unless the guy is a clown or known for pulling crap. Even calling the cap and folding the river UI is -ev because of odds. You need to hit your 2 outer 99.5% of the time unless he has loose raising standards(K7s).

I could just call it down after the raise, but I think you miss out on too many bets when he has AK or QQ. It is a hard laydown, but I think to even consider yourself a decent player you need to make it.
What say the night crew.

hate · #10 04-04-2005, 09:23 PM

I don't know about that 3-bet myself. AK misplays it pretty badly on the flop, and I don't see an ok player playing QQ like that, if anything I'd expect him to call down. I don't know what bets you're missing here.