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Old 11-19-2005, 12:29 PM
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Default How easy should this fold be

This is the 2nd hand, no reads. When they both called my raise, I said to myself, be careful of K or Q (thinking there was a chance one of them had pocket K or Q, then I got myself in this mess.

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UTG+1 (t1500)
UTG+2 (t1670)
MP1 (t1460)
Hero (t1500)
MP3 (t1460)
CO (t1460)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1460)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t70</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t240</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t240, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t170.

Flop: (t750) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t750</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t1250 all-in</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 calls</font>, Hero ?????
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Old 11-19-2005, 12:31 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

I'd pretty much always call/push here. Too big pot and too small amount to call to even consider folding.
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Old 11-19-2005, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

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When they both called my raise, I said to myself, be careful of K or Q

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I think you are better off not talking to yourself...


(Clue: would you call preflop with KK or QQ?)
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Old 11-19-2005, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

I think you're facing AK/AQ here a lot. I'm nearly counting out KK here because it's likely they want to get their money in preflop.
The only hand to worry about would be MP1 having QQ, then his play might make sense, but I still think he'd want to make his first raise bigger.
Since you have no reads or anything, I'd easily push my stack in here, if you lose it's just firing up another one, and if you win you've got a big stack to play with.
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Old 11-19-2005, 01:30 PM
bawcerelli bawcerelli is offline
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

hero needs to learn the term pot committed. someone probably has a flush draw and the other has KQ. just be sure to pair the board on the turn or river.
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Old 11-19-2005, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

stick your chips in, turn an ace, everyones happy
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:59 AM
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Well, I was pot committed and had to call, both opponents turned over KQ and I rivered an Ace to suckout a big pot. My feelings about how I played the hand were pretty negative.

As discussed, I put my opponents on a range they probably didn't have. I pot committed myself even after scare cards came on the flop.

My question is, Is there any reasonable line I can play here to probe and then lay my hand down if I feel reasonably sure I'm beat. Or is this just, "go to the mat with my Aces" and if I loose fire up another one.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

There is absolutely no way you can get away from this once you bet 750 on the flop. Let's give one of your opponents AK and the other one KQ, for a relatively bad yet reasonably likely scenario. Thus you have 23% equity. You have to call 510 to win 3940, which is plenty.

Against their actual hands (both having KQ), you have 29% equity, making it an even easier call.
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Old 11-21-2005, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: How easy should this fold be

You dont need to spike an ace, you can also pair one of the non KQ cards on the board. Either way, you should be all-in on this hand because you are ahead often enough. What level is this at btw, because this also makes a difference.
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